Instant Reaction: Johnson to start in Week 4
I didn't want to clutter up the front page with 3 posts on Johnson, so I'll attack this here, where I first started, the fanpost section. This is on off the cuff look at the decision going forward. I didn't research any of this, but instead, did just what the title said, I instantly put some thoughts down on this move.
We've all heard by now that Josh Johnson has been named the starting quarterback heading to Week 4 at Washington. The other part of the plan is to make Josh Freeman the number 2 quarterback with Leftwich slipping to third on the depth chart. There are a few surprises here.
It seems whenever a Tampa Bay quarterback gets benched, the slide all the way to number 3. I always found this curious. If Johnson gets hurt early in the game, are we really trotting Freeman out there? If so, why not start him? Moving Leftwich all the way to #3 just seems off.
It's clear that this is a team looking ahead now. UNFNole asked a good question. Is this move a result of film study and Morris and Dominik's decision that Johnson gives them the best chance to win? Is it a result of locker room mumblings or outside influence? Or is this a way to see Freeman enter for certain in the next 6 weeks?
With Johnson, the Bucs add another dimension to their game. A quarterback who can move and throw is a huge asset in the league. We've seen a glimpse of what JJ can do, albeit against inferior competition. He gets a weakened Washington defense next week and if he survives, gets Philly in Philly. While I'm perceived as a Leftwich homer for some reason (couldn't be further from the truth), this decision has me nodding my head. It shows that at least the coaches are awake during the game.
What's unfair about it is Leftwich is taking the blame for an entire offense's failures. This was not a Leftwich problem, it was inclusive of every one on the team, from the starters, to backups to coaches and to label this and blame Leftwich is ridiculous. He did everything we knew he would. If you were surprised by his three game totals, I don't know why. He played his part perfectly. Immobile QB who has a cannon for an arm, holds the ball a long time and has a knack for tossing one up. The goal was to have him lead a team who was dependent on the run, and throw 20-25 times a game. The offensive line, running backs, receivers, and coaches failed him there.
Johnson will no doubt be a change. I'm hoping the coaches adapt (it is allowed) to him and put in some shotgun packages, some roll outs, and some intermediate routes. He should not be running the same play book as Leftwich. His speed can be an asset, but he has to learn to utilize it. You don't sprint out on every play. You are a quarterback first. I have no reason to say he doesn't get that, but want to remind everyone else. I think Johnson will perform adequately with some growing pains. Give him some time, if he doesn't go 30 for 30 and 400 yards in game 1, it's ok.
Freeman as #2 scares me. The old saying goes "you're only a play away." I've been in the "sit Freeman" corner since we drafted him. I don't want Morris or Dominik to switch gears now due to the local boo birds. Stick to your plan. If it's to sit Freeman all year, then do it. If it's to play him in Week 10, then do it. Don't change course now. That's reactive and seems foolish.
If nothing else, this will at least calm the local neanderthals. No reason to spout off how Johnson is better than Leftwich. Let's see. I hope he plays well. I liked him last year and thought he was the guy this year. He has the opportunity all quarterbacks want, a chance to start. Only he has to do it on an underperforming team. He will need help that Leftwich didn't get from his offensive counterparts.
Week 4 seems to start the new era of Bucs football, the Josh era. I'm surprised the move was made this early, but it seems Morris had nothing else to do.
Edit: Also, color me intrigued on Morris. This move comes after he stated Sunday night there would be no changes at QB. I know coaches are full of double speak, and maybe he looked at the tape and just couldnt justify sticking with him, but this undermines your word. Ask Jon Gruden.
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What hasn't Morris done
to “undermine” his word. I’m not sure he has stuck to one single thing he has said?
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quickest way to lose Credibility with the players.
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what concerns me.
I know he’s young, but these are big mistakes. The Jags stuff, his double talk, calling out players 2 games in, confirming status quo and changing it less than 24 hours later. If you want to lose a team, lose a fan base, this is the Mangini playbook right here.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 28, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They really are just rookie mistakes
but they are costly to his reputation. Seriously, somebody please train him in the ways of Bill Belicheck. Just shut up. It’s better to say nothing at all than to keep rescinding you word.
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is them hitting the panic button.... already
Why bench him after one bad game? We’re not benching any of the other starters. Morris better hope Johnson does well because if he doesn’t then the boo birds are going to be clamoring for Freeman in a week or two.
Oh yeah, just did a little math. Our franchise player, Antonio Bryant, is averaging about $613,000 a catch right now. That is not a typo.
by LeeCaz on Sep 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Panic Button or Reality Button?
I don’t know that anyone is really panicking. That would imply all expectations are coming crashing down. 4 Wins is still attainable.
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morris said there are more changes to come, Qb just was the biggest
I really see Mahan going to the bench and Compas getting a shot. I saw Crowder out there alot more and he looked like he was around the ball, He caught bradshaw about 40 yards down the field and he plays DE. I think that Caddy should be the starter, he is running the best and the hardest. I think that Stroughter will see more playing time because he just finds a way to get open in the slot and make plays. I would not be surprised if the bucs brought in a few more guys this week.
Morris then recinded his statement about JJ being a career backup and said that he meant is as he wanted JJ to stay on the team for 10 years. He also said that Steve young was a backup but then made hall of fame and pro-bowls. I thought the comment sounded a little funny when he said it but he just needs to think about what he says before he says them. I am surprised that Freeman is the backup tho. I guess he has just lost confidence in the OL and knows that he needs a mobile QB out there.
I can guarantee that a few more fans will be watching the game vs Redskins after skins lost to Lions and JJ being the starting QB . Hopefully this change can spark the team because they have no bounce in there step and still have a million dropped passes. Either it is the throwing or it is just that we have guys who can’t catch. Guess we will find out the answer on sunday.
by tbbuc4 on Sep 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knew Leftwich Couldn't handle it. Lol
i said it since day one that Leftwich was Garbage and now hopefully you guys have opened your eyes to see it too. im happy with Morris’s Movement. Putting Leftwich at 3rd string were he belongs.
Thank you Morris For doing the Smart thing. :)
by Maxumas on Sep 28, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This isn't a Leftwich fail
Ive said it before, this was a team fail. His week 1 performance gave us an indication as to when he could be successful, he just wasn’t given that opportunity.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 28, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches fail for bringing him in here in the first place.
by buccanator on Sep 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So game 1 didn't happen?
He did fine when we stuck to the gameplan.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man, this is a what have you done for me lately league.
/spews more stupid cliches that make no sense
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 28, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a leader.
He’s in the coaches dog house.
He tries to force the ball too much.
He has a long release.
He has lead feet.
Freeman is the future.
Freeman can run.
We drafted Freeman, play him.
Josh Johnson want’s to be a quarterback first.
He doesn’t think he should have to run.
Josh Johnson is like Mike Vick but doesn’t kill dogs.
JJ has the players backing.
Just helping you out :).
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
loving it....
now no one can comment….excellent!
by buccanator on Sep 29, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Week one did happen
But what happen in week 1?
thats right we lost. Leftwich Did decent or pretty good on week one but not enough to win and now he’s going even more down hill. terrible passes all day yesterday and terrible Decisions.i’m just going to stop talking Facts about Leftwich and let the coach do the talking and by the way even he said leftwich was garbage well he implied it. lol but josh johnson is our best bet and if not him josh freeman is.
Morris is now becoming a real head coach.
by Maxumas on Sep 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you randomly capitalize words?
And unless Leftwich played defensive back or defense line during week one, you’re skewing the facts to make your point. He didn’t lose that game.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually i do thanks for noticing :)
and i never said it’s his fault we lost in week 1. but his performance also wasn’t good enough to get the win( regardless of what you say it’s a fact. sorry)
by Maxumas on Sep 28, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, we lost week 1
well then, why dont we replace EVERY player in that game? They all lost, right? No one was good enough to win, so they should all be replaced. Tom Brady lost to the Jets, fire him. Geez, this type of instant analysis with no thought and blind reasoning is pathetic.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 28, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could do that but
Leftwich was the Problem. did you not see the passes he threw on sunday? i could Go out there and throw better passes then he did sunday. NFL analysts were even making fun of Leftwich(he Actually threw the ball to nobody and he wasn’t even throwing it away).All said and done Leftwich is a washed up Poor decision making QB and that was proven Sunday. matter of fact he didn’t do good last sunday which is why Morris put him where he belongs, Which is 3rd string.
Just like the NFL’s most popular Quotes says " It is what it is."
by Maxumas on Sep 29, 2009 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Leftwich missed blocks on the OL? He dropped passes?
He missed tackles? He got no pressure on the opposing QB? Cmon man, open your eyes. Leftwich had a bad game on Sunday, so did the entire team, but he was a part of the problem, not THE problem.
This is just shortsighted analysis in a box.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 29, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the entire picture instead of just one game.
His QB rating is only slightly lower than Tom Bradys.
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 29, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you need to take your own "Advice"
The entire Picture in the Result of the games and we lost every game so far. I was looking at the entire picture. you are the one over looking it.
by Maxumas on Oct 4, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, did I dispute that we lost?
Because I’m pretty sure I didn’t.
This “good enough to win” thing is such bull. If the Bucs win 7-0 and Leftwich throws five picks and one TD, the Bucs win, does that mean he was good enough to win? What if he threw 3 TDs and 1 INT and the Bucs lose 28-21? Was he not good enough to win?
This might be a hard concept for you, but ignore the team results when you judge individual players. I know, scary thought.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 28, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly What would you have?
a QB that threw Threw Good but Couldn’t Finish game winning plays(Which is what Leftwich did) and still lost or a medicore QB that Scored less but Has what it takes to Win the game.
Matter of Fact what do you care more about Stats or Wins? Ask yourself that. either way your Wrong because if you pick Stats then JJ Put ups more yards then Leftwich did in 3 and a half Quarters and jj did more in less then 10 mintues. so theres yours stats. and if you want wins then your agreeing with me.
So now think. where is this Dicussing going? lol
by Maxumas on Sep 29, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a super small sample size
and R.J.’s point is processes over results. The QB who throws 5 picks might win a game, but how often will that be repeatable? The processes there suck, the result is/was a fluke.
The QB who makes the good reads and plays might lose a game or two, but the processes will yield results.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 29, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This. Dear lord this. It's really not hard to understand.
There is no set guidelines for “doing enough to win” it’s a placebo argument. Meaning there’s nothing there, it’s just to make you sound smart.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 29, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leftwich didnt lose Game 1
Sabby and the D did that. You make blind statements without considering any outside effects. Maybe Peyton Manning should be fired, it took him forever to win a Super Bowl, it must have been his fault, not the defense, right?
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by Buc Wild on Sep 28, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is "enough to win"
Did you want the guy to put Ex-Lax in the Dallas Offenses water? Or did you want him to play Safety?
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
276 Yards, Six Points and No Turnovers must have meant
he doesn’t really care about this team.
Let’s Play a little game. You Guess the Quarterback.
Stat Line A: 67/114 (58%) 3 TD 3 INT’s QBRating 85%
Stat Line B: 58/107 (54%) 4TD 3 INT’s QBRating 71%
Which one is Leftwich and would you want either as your Quarterback?
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
QB Rating:
Player A has a 79%
Player B has a 71%
Does it matter which one is your quarterback?
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
it doesn’t matter. as long as one of them can finish the game with a win. i dont know if you notice it or not but Stats are nothing but a piece of mind. and i like your Choice of stats but you must have not seen Sundays game because where do these stats step into play in that game? did he Throw for any TD’s… no. Did he throw for more then 30 yards… no. Matter of fact he didnt even throw more then 25 yards(Now thats Pathetic) Did he Throw a INT… Actually YES he did. lol so you want stats. there’s your stats.
by Maxumas on Sep 29, 2009 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One game doesn't prove anything.
You can take one game for ANY quarterback and say they are terrible. Why dont we look at JJ in the red zone, he went 0-3 for 0 yards. THATS AWFUL BENCH HIM.
See how dumb that sounds?
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by Buc Wild on Sep 29, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ actually had a worse throwing percentage
than Byron did. Let’s start Freeman. At least he’s 100%
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 29, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but it's analysis in a vacuum without looking at the larger picture
I love everyone who thinks I’m a Leftiwch apologist or Leftwich homer. I was talking with a co-worker this morning and he asked if I liked the move to JJ. I told him had you asked me in the offseason, JJ would have been my starter. When it became clear it came down to Lefty or McCown, I went with Leftwich.
I would rather have had JJ in there. My problem with the move now is everyone acting like Leftwich is THE problem. If you don;t want him in there, that’’s fine, but he has not cost the Bucs any games. This has been a collective failure.
Week 1 was the defense by itself
Week 2 was Lefty’s first pick and the defense
Week 3 was every single person associated with the Bucs.
So cheer on JJ, I will be, just don’t try to sell me that this fixes all the Bucs problems.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 29, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are u SRS?
WHOO, LUKE! LUKE! LUKE!
ALSO! NOW THE HEAD OF THE PUFFY-ROD BANDWAGON.
by Some other guy who does not care on Sep 29, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I can safely speak for him and say he isn't serious.
He’s making a point we all know well. SSS (or lack of one)
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by Buc Wild on Sep 29, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither
Glad he was pushed back to 3rd in the depth chart too.
by buccanator on Sep 29, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you believe that...
do you think this team has any wins with Luke McCown?
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you read my email
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by Buc Wild on Sep 28, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My reaction is...
To Byron Leftwich – Good Riddance!
As for JJ I do hope that he is better and at the least plays well enough to impress some team who may likely want to trade a decent round pick for him next year. It is likely that this still hasn’t changed the fact that The Bucs see Freeman as the future and that JJ or whoever is just keeping his place filled until the right time is to come.
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by Tye on Sep 28, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Good Riddance?
Defend your position.
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by UNFNOLE on Sep 28, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leftwich carries the least blame for the Bucs' failures this year
Might as well gameplan to pick up Tim Tebow or Matt Grothe in the draft.
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Sep 28, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
.
Grothe and Tebow should never be in the same sentence.
by zakattackthe on Sep 28, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.J. Daniels on the other hand......
Weeeee!
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by steve-o1285 on Sep 29, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget the center of attention
I think the offense has a completely different attitude without Jeff Faine in the line-up, the team run block better and has much better pass protection. I for one was horrified by Leftwich performance but the run game was M.I.A. I agree with bucwild we have a better chance of winning when we stick to the gameplan, but how can you stick to the gameplan when your center is getting blown back 5yards every play. However I also agree with Maxumus Leftwitch did not do enough in week one to win the game. I was one singing his praises after that performance because I thought he would improve but he hasn’t he’s gradually gotten worse and in week one even though our defense was soft as wet tissue we had opportunities to draw close and even take the lead but I kept seeing Leftwitch or maybe we should call him Leftonthebench miss throws at key points in the game, thats failing to do whats necessary to win the game. Putting JJ in may give us a better chance because we can utilize his mobility but without a decent running game he’s going to be doing more scrambling than an IHOP cook. And for the love of God cut Gaines Adams
by whatdabuc on Sep 30, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets just look at this logically
Morris is doing Leftwich a favor. He is going to get KILLED out there, he gets hit on every single pass- he wasn’t going to last much longer anyway. I never seen a QB get hit as much as him. I think that Morris just got fed up with the fact that the guy couldn’t make the plays when they needed to be made. He played decent in game 1 and 2 but if you actually look at the game- you can not win when your QB is getting cremed, you OL is getting blown away from the center and your Defense is digging a huge hole.
The fact is that the word is out on Leftwich, Blitz him. This is why they are blitzing: if it is a run – you are going to have more guys in the box to tackle the RB, if it is a pass – you are going to get a clean shot on the QB and after a while those hits start to take its toll, TB recievers aren’t that good and can’t create seperation (AB is hurt and clayton is just not a burner (and has a dropping problem)) and this is why the bucs can’t get the running game going. They don’t put any fear or make anyone pay when they are blitzed. The best thing the bucs have done with the blitz is throw a 8 or 9 yard pass to Winslow (who won’t put his shoulder down to get that first down, so we are going to punt on 4th and 1).
Bucs simply scare NO ONE!!!!!!! With JJ , he adds quicker routes for our average receivers; threat of QB Scramble which will open up the bootlegs and rollouts. I think that Olson felt to limited to 15 to 20 yard routes with Leftwich (def can’t throw dump off passes or intermediate passes). JJ Can make all the Throws – leftwich just is good at 1 throw and that is a Strike over the plate (i mean between a WR numbers).
This is going to prove to be a good move for the Bucs, hopefully fans will be excited to see a electifiying QB (runs a 4.33) and injects some energy into the OL and WR.
by tbbuc4 on Sep 30, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was never on the JJ
love train, and am not sure I am now. However, I am not against this move, it could prove to do us some good. That being said, I do think it was a little hasty, Granted Lefty was getting hit like oooh every play, but he did have 2 games where he was relatively decent.
Did we win those games? No.
Was it because of Leftwich’s play? No.
Was Sunday’s loss to the G-Men because of Leftwich’s Play? Yes & No. Yes because he obviously done nothing except stare at the sky from his back. No because no one else on the team did anything either.
I understood putting JJ in at the end of the game Sunday. However, tossing Leftwich to the curb seemed a little hasty. But I am starting to think Morris can be a little hasty sometimes.
Like I said, I don’t hate this move by any means. I find myself wanting to like it, because I think JJ could add another facet to our offense. I also find myself saying making this move at 0-3 seems a little panic esque.
I am interested in seeing how this goes though for sure….GO BUCS.
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