Niko's Postgame Thoughts
by Niko Houllis on Sep 20, 2009 8:17 PM EDT
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It was a good moment!
If you want to read about the doom and gloom of this team, please do not jump to the story. Jump off of a ......ok thats not very nice!
I call this one Niko's postgame thoughts because even though the post says my name, I want to make it clear these are my opinions, which tend to be more of a positive nature.
How can I be positive you ask after this game?
I was positive in 1991, so I can be positive at ANY time.
After two games now, it is starting to become clear what kind of a team we have..
1) A team without a very good defense, for varying reasons. Granted, This defense will improve each game, but youth throughout the ranks, and a lot of players that were not drafted for this new system are some causes that come to mind. Thats not to say there is something wrong with the system. If the Bucs want to abandon the Tampa 2, that is their business, and there is nothing wrong with that. But like Green Bay, changing systems sometimes takes time as you have to draft talent to match your needs. There is a lot of youth on the defense, and these players are getting valuable working experience against playoff caliber teams. If you dont think that matters, look at Jeremy Trueblood and Davin Joeseph. The experience they got in that terrible 2006 season was very valuable.
2) The team is not deep enough to handle injuries. Jeff Faine was missed today badly, as Bill after Bill came up the middle. Its my hope that B. Compas can be made ready to try out at Center next week, if he can help and would be better. Not my call of course!
3)The offense is good enough to score points and keep games close, but also dangerous enough to cause self inflictions. Turnovers from passing helped put the Bucs in that 17 point hole. The Running game was doing well with Ward. Much as Graham stayed on the bench for a hot Cadillac last week, Ward should have been on the field more against Buffalo. We seemed to abandon the game plan, if that was to run, however falling behind tends to do that to you. Youth on offense is also a problem, but its a problem we can live with.
No one rightfully assumed we were going to have a winning season. We hoped. We would have liked it. Heck, we still do.
But this team shows it has fight in it. Sabby has a terrible game last week, and shows some good plays tonight. Byron Leftwich showed a little more of the Preseason version than the Dallas version, but he put in 100% and never quit. No one quit, and that is good coaching.
While it is a long season, its my opinion this season is about to spiral out of control at some point next month. These close losses tend to take their toll on NFL players who all have a lot of personal pride.
Everyone knows my specialty is Bucs history. History repeats itself, and in this case, this season is starting to really look alot like one of those 14 years I often talk about. The question is, which one will it be?
Will it be 1996 where Tony Dungy finally got his message across to his players and they won game 7 and 5 of the last 7? Or is this more like a Vinny Testaverde learning on the job season of 2-14?
Only Time will tell, but I would refrain from falling victim to the same ole same ole that being passed around the internet these days. The "Glazers are cheap", "Raheem is in over his head" , "Josh Freeman is a Bust" stuff, or "Gaines Adams...." Nevermind. Well keep the Adams stuff ! He was NO WHERE near the quarterback, and its about time to start the official Gaines Adams is a Bust talk, because I see no sign of anything else.
Next week the Bucs host the NY Giants. Tonight well get an idea on what kind of team the Giants are. The Cowboys and Bills are good teams. We will be facing a Redskin team that is not that good, and an Eagles team that is hurting at QB. Then Carolina at home for a little bit of both.
2-3 record after 5 games ? Is it still possible?
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WOW we are back in the 80's
What a game. I do see heart but nothing else. I think what 3 or more games like this Freeman should come in??? I thought this team would be better but now i am hoping for maybe a 3 win season.
by DeathWalker on Sep 20, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaines Adams, a big time disappointment
On the positive, I did see a few plays from Crowder but the whole defense has holes. In Tampa 2 , holes was on the D-Line but were solid at LB and DB. But this defense gives up big runs, passes, qb scrambles and doesn’t make plays when it counts. Bucs were down 20 to 14 and let that running back run for about 40 yards. Thoes are game changers. 110 yards in penalties is just terrible discipline. Olson has been calling a decent game but WHY IN THE HECK, Is clifton smith in the game at the end when we are trying to come back. He is the 4th running back. He needs to tell clifton to focus on returns because he doesn’t get that many and the ones he has, he hasn’t made those electifiying plays.
Bucs need to get a new Defensive scheme. We don’t have the personel to play bump and run with 2 5’10 corners and terrible covering safeties. Cover 2 is what this team is built for. Bucs need to do what they need to do in order to hold down the score.
Its pretty evident we won’t get a consistent pass rush so lets play everything infront. Our DB are going to have no confidence because this defense is set up to be burnt for 4 or 5 plays on defense. WR are to good to play 1 on 1 with no help. Thats a formula for disaster. Cover 2 was working fine, we just needed to develop a pass rush.
by tbbuc4 on Sep 20, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I made a couple of (what I think) good points
in the Game-Thread, but I’m not sure you caught them.
I agree with you on everything.
-I think managing the locker room is more important than winning games right now. We are going to lose a lot of games because we have inferior players and inferior schemes. Obviously we work to win games and work to get better, but the coaches focus shouldn’t be on the record but on the morale. If it does spiral out of control, it will be very easy to lose more than one season out of this.
-This is not a team build to play from behind. If you ask Leftwich to do too much, he will (and not in a good way).
-Our depth across the board is bad. Faine is the 2nd worst injury we couldn’t afford on the offense.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Sep 20, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I'll have some unpopular thoughts coming up on the game
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by Buc Wild on Sep 20, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
Can’t wait to hear them.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Sep 20, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you write them when the anger is fresh
it will be far more entertaining.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Sep 20, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won't be anytime soon
I have to sift through the garbage first. Don’t know if I’ll do the grading columns or not
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by Buc Wild on Sep 20, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you here, the locker room is more important, and Im sure it will be fine, all year long, no matter what
But the popular thing will be a call to change the system to match the players. Lets remember, these are the same players that tanked the last 4 games last year.
In 1996, no one changed systems on Tony Dungy.
Whats needed is time.
Time for the players to buy into the system, time for them to learn it properly, and time for us to draft proper talent to implement the system.
Knee Jerk reactions sound good, but they are for people who think this team can compete for a playoff spot and do something this year. We all know this is a team in transition, and is growing into something, something we should be proud of in a year or two, or three.
I acknowledge you were totally correct in the preseason in pointing out the lack of depth. I misread our depth, which are made up of very young players, who make mistakes.
But these youngsters are as much the heart of the Bucs future as Sapp, Lynch, Brooks, Dilfer, Dunn, Alstott (oops dunn wasnt here yet) were in 96.
Nothing wrong with grading this unit as they should be graded, poorly.
I personally plan to now watch this year looking fwd to the future.
I think we are also very close to massive calls for Josh Freeman.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with a youth movement.
In fact, I don’t mind re-building at all (sure I hate losing). I am willing to give the youth time to develop and learn. I also have no problem with our offensive scheme other than we don’t seem to value the run-game as much as we should.
Jim Bates scheme though is a scheme that is completely reliant on the personnel. It is personnel that we don’t have. Bates defense is designed to do things it just isn’t doing (force everything back inside, stuff the middle with big DT’s and allow superior S and CB to cover man on man). None of this is happening. Bates defense is great in theory, which is why he gets jobs, but it’s a defense that needs to be put in place with an established defense with superior athletes. Neither of which we have. If Morris stays next year, I hope we don’t see Bates stick around.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Sep 21, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate it!!!!!!
When people say their team is not a good team that is trailing by 14 points or more or i hate it when they say their team isn’t built to come from behind……What that tells me that we are NOT a good team period and it is going to take 3-4 years to get back to Super Bowl form.
by DeathWalker on Sep 20, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please use the Reply Button.
It doesn’t mean that we suck, it means that our offense is built around the run-game and designed to chew clock so that our defense is on the field as little as possible. 3-4 years is an expedited route to the Super Bowl. Let’s focus on being a .500 team first.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Sep 20, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The defensive line is still a weak spot of sorts – few sacks and they gave up 163 yds rushing to Jackson today.
I remember stirring up huge anger about the Bucs drafting Joseph as a Guard back in 2006, because I had thought our O-line there was solid. Fellow fans had to point out how Mahan wasn’t that good of a Guard for us. Which was one of the reasons Mahan’s come and gone… only for him to come back to us now, this time as a C. And now I know damn well what those guys in 2006 were telling me.
Relive the shocking NOOOOOOOO of April 25 2009 at Witty's Draft Review and laugh laugh laugh...
by witty on Sep 20, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All thing considered
I’m neither upset nor surprised. I still think we have the building blocks of a better offense. The defense is very concerning, but after watching the last four games last year, I’m not surprised we still have a lot of work to do. I guess they are living up to my low expectations. I hope that Morris gets a reasonable chance at building a team. Two games, or even one season is too short to judge, IMO. Just look at other “great” coach’s first years.
I’m not sure I understand why some who posted on the GDT are somehow linking today’s loss to Freeman being a terrible choice. But I think that jump doesn’t make sense. Freeman has yet to prove to be a future Canton inductee or a dud. Maybe it was frustration typing.
Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
by terp12 on Sep 20, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
People still hate the Freeman pick still
Because there were some solid DTs and DEs on the board that may or may not have cured or lack of pass rush from the D-Line. I was guilty of it as well, but I’ll let it go for now since overall, I think it’s one of the best drafts we’ve had in a long time.
by NewLogic on Sep 20, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like it or not, Morris WILL be given his chance, because the Glazers are NOT going to pay for
TWO coaches to sit on their hind quarters and get paid.
Glazers are fully aware this is a rebuilding process. He’ll be judged in a few years time based on what hes done since then.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patience can be rewarded sometimes
Bill Parcels was 3-12-1 in his first year, Bill Belichick was 6-10 in his first year, and Joe Gibbs lost his first five games in his first year. For those who say Morris is too young, the same was said of John Madden when he became a head coach at 32.
Go Bucs!
Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
by terp12 on Sep 20, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Belicheck was run out of his first gig, so were other coaches
If he remains a head coach, or any coach, he has 30-40 years to learn on the job.
Morris may be no Madden, but 15 years ago Belicheck was a has been or a never was.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 20, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morris has a ton of potential.
He just has a lot to learn. We will get into this much more as the season goes along.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Sep 20, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
potential as what a dj
“aint no party like a raheem party”
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 20, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to know where this potential comes from?
His inspiring public speaking capabilities? His ability to “thug it up” (thanks Ronde for the quote)? His awesome taste in music? He needed to spend more time as an assistant.
by Albertrayon on Sep 20, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Himbeing tabbed early as a head coach is not his fault
He didn’t appoint himself. If he ends up being terrible (and I don’t think we’re there) that is the Glazer’s fault, not Morris’. He is two games into a young team with completely new schemes. I think he has screwed up some things, but I don’t know of many coaches that just hit it off right away and are successful from the get go.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess its really not his fault
he was suddenly handed a big new paycheck it’s like he won the lottery,he could have said no I’m not ready,maybe I am being too harsh on him maybe he is fooling himself as well as everybody else. I guess its possible he actually thoght he could be a head coach, but I am still not convinced he is not just taking the money and running
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not just taking the money. He was handed the keys to the car
but the car has no wheels, steering wheel or engine right now
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he tore the car apart
can he fix it? I dont think so
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He" didn't tear the car apart
He might have had some say in it, but Dominik is the GM, not Morris. Garcia had to go, June wasn’t worth it, Dunn, i love the guy, but where does he fit? How did Morris tear it apart?
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
he didn’t tear it apart he jumped in turned the music up loud and drove it straight into a tree
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think Morris is to blame for
cutting Brooks, hiring Bates, not bringing in enough talent? What blame does Dominik get? What about the Glazer’s?
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, look up the results of Kansas the defensive states the year before he got there, there, and two years after he left.
Then look at what the Bucs did in the secondary in 2006 when he was gone, and then 2007 when he returned.
The guy is a winner.
Tony Dungy was an assistant for too long before he became a coach.
Its irrelevant.
No one can judge Morris after two games or even one season.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was running the defense
not the whole team so that dosent prove that he isnt over his head
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aint nothin but a g thang baby, im in love with freeman he’s my lady, my coaching skills are pretty shady
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 20, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bills fan here
I just read the write-up above over here and couldn’t help but comment after reading: “The Cowboys and Bills are good teams.” I hope you’re right on the Bills observation. I’m not very optimistic about our team this season, but who knows in this crazy league. I can remember back to the ’88 NFL season and my Bills have had a horrible time in our sporadic meetings with Tampa Bay over the years (2000 was a particularly bitter loss in a really hard-fought game that a superior Bucs team pulled out down in Tampa)….Good luck to the Bucs the rest of the way in any case…the NFC South looks pretty rough from afar…go get them Jets, Pats, and Fish.
B.S.
by Benjamin Salem on Sep 20, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
were havin a party down here
all we want to do is have a good time and get violent peace out
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 20, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Buc Team is great for Sportsbars!
That’s right folks I was at the Sportsbar today and I was purchased (by other teams’ fans) a few beers! That’s right, three beers, because I am a Bucs fan. They felt sorry for me! I am hoping to get more free beer next week!
Bad economy + Bad Bucs + Sportsbar = Free Beers for me, Chief!
In all seriousness it was very depressing to be the “one” watching the Bucs game, while my friends were watching Chicago vs. Pittsburg and thanking me for the great coaches… …from my team…
I hope Raheem turns out to be half as good as either of those guys…
"Put it on Film" (not on the glass)
by chiefs_55 on Sep 20, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My views on the current Bucs
Offense
*Seems to be able to pick up more key first downs and score in the redzone then in previous years
*Have seen the deep ball to several WRs, which is a nice change and may help the running game in the long run.
*Running game will put the fear in teams
*Needs more Oline Depth, without Mahan
*Needs to leave Clifton out of the running game for now
Hopefully once the future QB battle is decided, we’re left with a QB that can still move the ball effectively, but with a much better throwing mechanic then Leftwich. If we can get that and Olson gets some real time to make an offensive scheme, I feel like for once we’ll have an offense that can actively put 28+ points on most teams.
Defense
*I think our LB group is solid as long we don’t switch to a 3-4 like some people want.
*Needs more talent on the D-line, whether through drafting, free agent signing, or trades
*Either Adams needs to learn some new pass rush techniques, or we look for someone to take his spot as or main pass rusher.
*Add Eric Berry or someone else of a high level to our CB group and they should be good in the future, assuming we can keep Talib out of trouble.
Overall, it will take time to fix some of the things we are missing. Maybe if we grabbed Haynesworth like we wanted to, for alot less of course, we would have a different Dline. I also believe Ruud will show up again once in due time. As for the overall defensive scheme, I have no opinion on it. I still don’t fully get the scheme we are running, but it does seem too much for our current CBs to go one on one with high ranking WRs like Evens and Owens without safety help.
Special Teams
Just gonna go ahead and say would rather have young kickers with big legs that lack experience then what seems to be a big pile of average kickers.
by NewLogic on Sep 20, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
of course
our team would have looked way better with Cutler at the O helm and Haynesworth at DT!
"Put it on Film" (not on the glass)
by chiefs_55 on Sep 20, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We actually
offered Haynesworth more than the Redskins are paying him… Maybe he hates the American Indians and wanted to get back at them by playing for the Racial Slur named team?
"Put it on Film" (not on the glass)
by chiefs_55 on Sep 20, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need 15 picks in the first three rounds
to fix the problems that we have. Let the trades begin!….oh that’s right, we don’t trade our good players for draft picks, we just release them.
by buccanator on Sep 21, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who should we have traded that we flat out released?
No one wants any one of our scraps. Brooks, Ike, Dunn, Garcia, all are on the unemployed line right now. It’s not like we dumped viable players that other teams want. I’d rather have Brooks here, but how on Earth can we trade guys when no one wants them?
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the eagles
dumped baskett to make a spot for garcia
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because they had an injury to replace
this guy couldnt cut it in Oakland. Garcia is going to be 3rd string (or out of a job in 3 weeks)
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are writers projecting a possible 0-16 season
After watching the post game press conferences and hearing the same quotes I heard last week, makes me wonder if the writers are on to something.
We have a brutal schedule with Carolina looking as the only team we will be favored to beat, ofcourse at home, when we play them.
I know I have been critical of Leftwich and his style, but are we going to keep him in, throwing 40-50 passes a game? That in my opinion is desperation football. We can not build on a team that plays this way. Leftwich playing is completely pointless if we aren’t going to give ourselves an opprotunity to win.
After last week’s game, I had good feelings about alot of players. Clayton,OL,RBs,Hayes, and CBs
This week……well it shows that teams do their homework. They send more pressure and take advantage of our OL depth. Clayton is held to 2 receptions. Our RBs get 19 carries. Barber and Talib get toasted.
Next week we have the Giants. Is their any thing we have that could contain any of their players. No pressure on Eli, poor tackling on Jacobs, their freakin DL…….45-10 Giants
I’m sorry! I have tried to be as positive as I could. I don’t blame anyone but everyone. From the Owners to the GM to the Head Coach to the positions coaches to the players and I also blame the cheerleaders for being so damn hot!
by buccanator on Sep 21, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its funny
Before last season, people considered a 0-16 season to be as impossible as a perfect season, but now they want to throw it at every possible team. People forget that ALOT of things went wrong for the Lions last year for them to reach that point. To bad management and coaching to multiple injuries at the QB position. Remember, they had to sign Culpepper out of retirement to start and then he went down for a few weeks I believe. Sure, we aren’t Super Bowl Contenders or Playoff possibilities, but we’ve had teams here before with far less talent that have won games, excluding the 76 Bucs of course who were in the league their first year as an expansion team.
Sure we’re not a good team right now, but there are winnable game to still be played, and anything can happen in the NFL.
by NewLogic on Sep 21, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This offense is too good to go 0-16
I remember the 0-16 team. It was pitiful.
Last years Lions team, they couldnt score.
dont be surprised if by the end of the year the Bucs finish strong on some sort of winning streak.
0-16 is not even close to possible, its just nice Fish Wrap talk.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dosent matter how many points the offense scores
if the defense cant stop the other team you know better than that
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
On the brightside, at least we’ll get a high draft pick… Too bad we didn’t wait to get a QB… Maybe we’ll get a defensive stalwart… Like Brandon Spikes of Fla or that Safety from Tenn…
"Put it on Film" (not on the glass)
by chiefs_55 on Sep 21, 2009 2:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
No LB in first round please
get me a DL or DB. Two biggest needs
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a lot of time to see who rises to the top.
College football season is only a few weeks old. Suh is a beast though.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Sep 21, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buc Wild, I think unlike this year, you and I will be celebrating our 2010 draft pick.
DL is sure to be it, depending . I think anyone on here can bet their home it will be a defensive player, and NOT Tim Tebow like you will hear some call for.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If it's effing Tim Tebow, I'll seriously stop rooting for the Bucs
and I’ll ship the Glazers a turd sandwich. That is the LAST place we need to spend a pick (and RB). It has to be on the defensive side of the ball.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have no need/room for Tebow
As a QB or at his other projected NFL positions. I think he will go to Jacksonville anyways, since it would boost their fan support and whatnot.
by NewLogic on Sep 21, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW
no not really. It’s too late for that. In a perfect world we would have drafted the defense that we need this year and not josh freeman
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"this team is too good to go 0-16" "you cant judge a coach on one season"
Are you guys blogers or spin doctors? You can polish a turd till it’s nice and shiny and try to tell me its a piece of gold, but I’m still not buying it.
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They aren't saying we're a good team or playoff bound
It’s just that they aren’t jumping off a cliff because they see a storm coming
by NewLogic on Sep 21, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been here from the begining
didn’t jump off a cliff then and not jumping off now. But I’m not going to sit back and keep quiet while the ship sinks either
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but you'll continue to make clever comments
as opposed to really looking at issues.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thoght the issue was we are losing
what is the “real” issue I am missing
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "issue" you keep referring to is Morris and his affinity for loud music
We get it, you’re a grumpy old man who found a catch phrase he can go to at any time.
The issue(s) are easy to point out.
- Inconsistent blocking both run and pass
- No commitement to running game (in week 2)
- Lack of depth at just about every position
- Inability to exploit weaknesses in opponent
- No pass rush
- no underneath coverage
- inability to tackle anyone
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i listen to loud music everyday
what i was trying to get across is moriss is more interested in having a good time than coaching maybe you misunderstood me i like to have agood time to but im not an nfl coach
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The play ultimately falls on the head coach
but when does Bates’ catch some heat? How about Dominik? We don’t have the talent, that’s clear, so to expect Morris to pull a rabbit out of his hat every game when he himself is a young coach is unrealistic.
I’ll ask an honest question. With the current players, no more, no less, do you think other coaches would be doing better? It’s a serious question, and I don’t see us being 2-0 with anyone else, or 1-1. We’re outclassed across the board, that’s easy to see.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we could have won the dallas game
we were outclassed yesterday which shows me we are going backwards
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree about bates
but moriss is a defensive guy so why not step it up and do something
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the same against Dallas
those blown assignments are a good indicator that our defense just isn’t there and doesnt have the personnel yet.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Gruden Blasted AC DC
Raheem Morris Blasts Urban Contemporary music of which we dont know much of because were both in our 40s.
They blasted the same amount of music.
Thats Morris’ strong point, its not his weakness.
your not trying point out that Morris isnt a good coach after week 2 are you?
after season 2 would be a little premature. After week two is just silly.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is getting silly
but did gruden get in the booth and spin the records himself that was the point i was making
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honest question
Do you feel that Morris’ affinity for playing music or personally spinning the records as been a detriment to the team? Unless he is doing that during the game or instead of planning, I couldn’t care less.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it points to ability
I dont think he was taking the job as serious as he should have maybe after these losses hw will step it up
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not going to make excuses for Leftwich,
But some (key word some) of yesterdays problems was pressure from up front in the middle. Faine was missed.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually like lefty
and i was all for the hire,but if freeman (gag) is the future why wait
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
Next game is against the atomic powered Dline of the Giants and after we go against the blitz crazy eagles. Both bad places to start young QBs. I would let Leftwich whether the storm then switch after the bye when we should have both Faine and Bryant hopefully at 100%.
by NewLogic on Sep 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why subject the kid to a beating?
Faine gone, our line is noticably weaker. We’re in no rush to get him murdered. It’s beneficial for him to sit and watch and learn. All he gains out of playing now is a few extra bumps and bruises.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they feel that Freeman is perfectly capable of being the Bucs franchise QB, but he is not "Trio Instant QB, just add water"
like the Jets, Falcons, and Ravens got.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, if/when he pans out, is fine with me.
I’m all for sitting and developing with an end goal in sight. Flacco was forced in last year and wasn’t that good, very average. Sanchez made some plays, but it was against a rather “blah” Pats D. What about Rivers, Palmer, guys who sit
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a lot simple before 2008, when only Dan Marino was the 1 rookie QB who could win in his first year.
Take that back…2004. Big Ben was second, but still it was an easier argument than now, with Flacco, ect.
Not only Rivers and Palmer, but look at some whos careers may have been ruined by starting them too early, Testeverde, Leaf (?), who knows how many more.
I would not want to see Freeman until
1) Faine is back
2) The coaches think he is ready.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a post coming on Wed
on starting QB’s at what time. Interesting data, I think.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want issues
and not clever comments lets talk about the penalties yesterday who is to blame the players or the coach
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Both
And I have an article on it coming up. Im completely disgusted with the penalties. It comes down to coaching and execution. The coaches have to (apparently) teach and reinforce fundamentals, and the players have to stop being so damn stupid.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless i'm mistaken
i believe that before the season started one of the players said of raheem, “he is one of us” or something like that i knew right then there was going to be a problem
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morris has to learn he isn't one of the guys anymore
He has to go from the chest bumping assitant to the captain of the ship. You can still be a players coach, but you have to get the respect. Since im not in the locker room, I dont know how that plays out. No one does unless you have direct access to the team.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can get an idea
from the penalties at whats going on
by bucfanlostiniowa on Sep 21, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's to blame for the facemask penalties?
Surely Morris and the coaches have said “Don’t commit stupid penalties” but if the players don’t listen or just go out there and are reckless, who’s to blame? I don’t know. its a chicken vs egg argument.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 21, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youth is to blame
Every young Bucs team Ive ever seen has done this, and that is a lot of teams, because we got young every 4 years.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byron was 3-0 on his deep passes the first half and scored a TD to Winslow with one of them.
The issue was using the run to set up the pass rather than the other way around. The lack of deep throws in the first half resulted in the lack of runs in the second. Use the cannons early and pound the ball late will be realized as the true identity of this offense. The sooner Olson get’s it the better.
The officials should have thrown a flag when Byron got hit below the knees 2 week’s in a row, that would have negated the first INT, and watching the player scoop the ball off the ground should have negated the second. The officials blew it on the int’s IMO.
The offense is now ranked 4th and Byron is ranked 5th in TD’s and yards combined. There is a lot to be optomistic about, but we still have a long way to go. This offense is on the verge of breaking out, and when it does it will really help the defense as far ball and clock control…
Defense has been solid not only on 3rd downs but it’s 1-6 redzone efficiency with its opponents is awesome, it is the big play’s in the secondary that is killing us at the moment. T-jax return ought to help shore things up there…
We just need to be patient at this moment, the team is in the fire of a brutal part of the schedule, once it get’s out of the oven their very well could be a sweet treat instore for us.
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by Jagsbch on Sep 21, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We getting our treat in week?
My treat will be when I see Freeman starting at quarterback, until then I will be patient. This is my personal opinion, that’s all.
by buccanator on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jagsbch,
Your points held water before 4 pm yesterday.
right now your pitcher is made of swiss cheese.
I cant stick up for leftwich too much at this point other than the fact he was under a lot of pressure.
Well know more when Faine gets back.
or if they find someone other than Mahan to be Center.
The Bucs Fired their Offensive "Guru" and gave an unproven assistant a chance. He went 0-6 before he won his first game. That was Tony Dungy.
by Niko Houllis on Sep 21, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned on gameday
It did look like all his passes had much more touch on them, rather then pure arm strength.
by NewLogic on Sep 21, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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