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Does it matter who starts at running back?

Of all the position battles about to take place in training camp, the one with the least importance to me is the battle at running back.  Like most teams, it appears the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are set to go to a split back system that is heavy on the run.  With a stable of four solid NFL players (Earnest Graham, Derrick Ward, Clifton Smith, and Carnell Williams), the Bucs appear ready to run the ball 30+ times a game.  Barring an injury, it also looks like they have the depth that most teams crave, with each player playing a specific role where they have had success. And with the injuries that seem to spring up, depth is never a bad thing to have.

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But does it matter who carries the title of "starter"?  Ward wasn't the starter in New York last year and finished with over 1,000 yards.  MJD out in Jacksonville wasn't the starter and he's done fairly well.  Graham has been the starter, along with Cadillac, and both have performed very well, but both have been bitten with the injury bug also.   That title of starter becomes less important at a rotating position like running back.  Granted, only one guy can carry the ball at a time, but when you are looking to grind out the yards on the ground, it takes two or three healthy guys to do that.  Based on those facts, I think it's pretty easy to argue that who starts doesn't make a bit of difference.  All four guys will get some time in at running back, whether injuries are involved or not.  Being able to rotate between 2 or 3 guys will not only keep them fresh, rested, healthy (hopefully), and lessen the wear on them, it will allow them to go full speed ahead and wear down the defense. 

Graham and Ward and even a healthy Cadillac could all make the argument for being a starter.  Clifton will be pulling returning duties and by default won't be a starter. But with an offense poised to focus on the running back position, it doesn't seem to make a difference.  The best examples could be the 2008 Giants and 2008 Panthers.  Both teams featured two starting-caliber backs (some would say the Giants had 3 with Bradshaw) and it served them well all year.  I wouldn't be surprised if they are being told to keep the egos out of it, realize that even if you don't start, you're gonna get touches, and focus on chewing up yards and the clock. Based on what Jagodzinski has said, we're looking at a heavy dose (30+ times) of running, and by no means does it look like an 80/20 split for carries.  I imagine Ward and Graham see the bulk much like the Giants did with Jacobs and Ward, and Cadillac or Clifton will come in for the appropriate situation or spelling of the dual starters.

The "battle" begins in a few days, but with each of these guys, I think Jags finds a role for them.  Running back may be the one and only position I feel completely comfortable with, as long as everyone stays healthy. It's nice to have at least one position where we feel set, at least for 2009.

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I don't think it matters who starts

but they have to be smart with how they divide the carries. You want the players who will perform the best to get their legs and shoulders warmed up. It can’t be a 13,13, 5,5. This doesn’t really benefit anyone. I have always struggled with the idea of Running Back by Committee. I would like to see one back receive about 70% of the carries and the rest be split to give the workhorse a breather. Both Ward and Graham are capable of that. Caddy and Smith should only be used as a change of pace. There is no question this is going to be a run-heavy team though. We simply do not have the personell not to be, along with poor pas pro thus far in training camp.

Speaking of which…. do you have any reports on how the lineman are adjusting to the zone blocking scheme? I have only seen comments (on every website) about their passpro…not a thing about their run performance.

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by UNFNOLE on Aug 4, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll keep an eye out for some additional comments

the zone blocking will boviously take time to learn, but there have been multiple times when Caddy and Ward have broken off large runs. I’ not worried about run blocking and pass protection should be alot easier if we know where the QB will be. I.E. not running out of the pocket every play

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by Buc Wild on Aug 4, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of disagree about the 70 %.

I think the benefit of having three rbs with equal carries, is that late in the game the running backs will still be fresh. If we run the ball as much as everyone is suggesting, we should be able to wear down the defense and Cadillac could come into the game and break off a long one. Ward Graham and Caddy (if healthy) should share the workload. Clifton should not see many reps at rb because has a hard time holding onto the ball and if he got hurt, losing him as a return man will hurt our team.

by exxtremm on Aug 4, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it's two different schools of thought.

I admitted I am not a fan of Running Back by committee. I am in favor of using Caddy and Smith as change of pace backs / hit the defense with some speed (not that Ward or Graham are slow). I would much rather take the money that we are paying one of them and pay a quarterback / 2nd reciever instead of stockpiling running backs. Not to mention Josh Vaughn who can be a solid player in the league…there is just no room for him on the team. The common perception of Smith is that he fumbles, but that was also the perception of Tiki Barber until he corrected it. Fumbles are a matter of strength, smarts and practice….all which are coachable mistakes.

I think to get the most out of a running back (and I’m not speaking in total yards or total carries) but just having the most productive back on the field at the time is to give them time to get going. It takes more than 7 carries to get a feel for the game.

The advantage to RB BC is that you go with the hot hand.

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by UNFNOLE on Aug 4, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't worry too much about the money invested

I think this year (with us being WELL under the cap) we have significant money tied up in the running game, but this is Caddy’s last year and I think, barring a tragic injury to EG or Ward, he is gone after this year. Then it’s a two back system with a scat back type 3rd down back. That’s pretty standard in today’s NFL. Money is of no concern here until the Glazers start hitting the camp.

I agree on what it takes to get a back going, but the assumption is we have long controlled drives in which we let EG take 3 carries and as he gets tired, you pound them with Ward and Caddy and just keep pounding the ball. This type of offense works best when you have 5+ minute scoring drives. If we’re 3 and out, then you dont see any advantage to RBC.

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by Buc Wild on Aug 4, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches rarely do that.

If you are sustaining a long scoring drive of over 5 minutes, you most likely have a back with a hot hand. It’s not often you see coaches who have the guts to replace that guy and bring in a ‘fresh’ back. It can certainly go either way, and end up being a drive killer. Truth is, at some point we are going to have to balance the entire run game with a pass game, which we just don’t have, regardless of what kind of spin people want to put on it with Winslow and Bryant. Our quarterbacks are just not starter worthy and it is a battle of who can make the fewer mistakes instead of who can make more plays.

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by UNFNOLE on Aug 4, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A big question is

is the offense running back based or OL based? I dont think its so much when a back gets hot, its when the OL is functioning as a unit. I can recall seeing MJD and Freddie T, the 3 Giants backs, Deangelo and J-Stew all alternating during drives.

I think our QB’s will be fine, especially if we stay either in the lead or a FG behind. If our QB’s truly aren’t starter worthy (I’m not convinced either way), they can still be above average by utilizing the running game and the PA Pass. I’d argue that Flacco was nothing special, but had a good running game. Same with the Steelers any time Batch plays, Garrard in his good year (2007), Kerry Collins, Delhomme, etc. Any QB will look better than they are if the D has to stop run first.

Plus, if we can go 4-12 with Gradkowski at QB, I’m confident that any one of the 4 guys in camp can help us to get above that mark.

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by Buc Wild on Aug 4, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gradkowski had a defense to bail him out

As did Garrard, Batch, Collins and Delhomme. Our offense is going to be largely left out to dry, unless something miraculous happens.

Great point about the OL based game though. However, there is something to be said about getting reps and getting a feel for the speed of the lines and how quickly those holes are opening up. In a zone offense, it takes a very patient back. The more reps the better feel.

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by UNFNOLE on Aug 4, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't advocate just flipping backs in and out for the heck of it

but if we get long drives going, I have no probelm with every 4 plays (or however long it takes until they are gassed) to flip them in and out. If you have a back who is dominating and a lead, then yea, ride him to the victory, but I see this as a pound the run with multiple guys and open up PA pass.

All bets are off if we get behind by 7+

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by Buc Wild on Aug 4, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All bets are off if we get behind by 7+

This is the biggest issue. How good is our defense going to be? How often will we be behind?

by kurby on Aug 4, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some reason

I feel that we will be seeing a Dual Running back plays a lot. With Caddy and (ward/graham) So the Defense don’t know who is going to get the ball until they have it, and also i see us having ward/graham playing a little bit of fullback w/ caddy behind them. Again, the Defense has to watch and make sure they know who gets the ball, because i can totally see a fullback hand off to ward/graham. These guys are big and love to bang, i’m sure as long as they get to hit someone they wont mind blocking for eachother once in a while….BUT that’s just me. Tell me if i play madden toooo much and that this would never work in the NFL…

by shadowchicken on Aug 4, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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