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Four Horsemen: Will the Tampa Bay Buccaneers look to trade a Tight End?

The Four Horsemen! With the addition of Kellen Winslow via trade (2009 2nd Round & 2010 5th Round Draft Picks) and the re-signing of Jerramy Stevens, the Buccaneers are fairly set at the tight end position with four bodies. The other two rounding out the quartet are Alex Smith and John Gilmore. Any other franchise in the league would avoid stock piling Tight Ends, but with the Bucs it’s to be expected considering their past Quarterback infatuations. Will the Bucs enter the regular season with Four Tight Ends? I’m not so sure, let’s look at the possibilities:

Scenario #1: Trade one of the following: John Gilmore or Alex Smith. We all know Kellen Winslow and Jerramy Stevens are pass catching tight ends. Alex Smith is a solid blocker, but he’s not on the same level as Gilmore who specializes in it. When looking to acquire a Tight End I would venture to say that a pass catching tight end would fetch more in return than a blocking tight end and so Alex Smith makes the most sense to ship out. Especially considering we don’t need three pass catching tight ends.

What is Alex Smith worth? In 2005 the Bucs spent a 3rd Round Draft Pick to nab him. It’s fair to say he’s been moderately effective averaging 30 receptions, over 300 yards receiving, and 2 touchdowns a season in his four years with the Bucs. He’s always been on the cusp of having a breakout season, but for whatever reason his breakout never materializes. With that it’s tough to gauge his worth, as a Tight End like Kellen Winslow who has a serious injury history and averages twice as many receptions and yardage as Smith warranted a 2nd and 5th round Draft Pick from the Bucs. I think we all agree we overpaid for Kellen, but the bar has been set. At this point I would be comfortable with receiving a 4th Round Draft Pick for Alex Smith. We could probably get a 3rd Round Draft Pick if we traded with ourselves, that would be counterproductive though.

Scenario #2: We retain all of our tight ends. It’s a crazy idea I know, but in the NFL where injuries run rampant and we have Kellen Winslow who is susceptible to injury at any time, it may not be a bad idea to hold on to all four of our guys. Plus think of the mismatches they could present. You have to think Kellen will be used more as a wideout than a traditional tight end. Using a two tight end set with Stevens, Winslow, and Bryant on the field would be challenging for any defense to defend. It would be up to Jags to shake up the formations so defenses don’t see Gilmore on the field and automatically think run. Although with Gilmore and one of Smith, Stevens, or Winslow on the field the defense still has to respect the pass and prepare for the run. With four tight ends we have plenty of players to spread the 60+ catches releasing Galloway and Hilliard opened up.

Conclusion: If I had to bet I would expect this team to carry three Tight Ends into the regular season, meaning somebody will be traded/released. It doesn’t make much sense to have six roster spots going to kickers and tight ends on a team that suffered last season with depth issues and for a team that is currently fielding unknowns at key positions on defense (LB, DL, and DB). What do you think, field the four horseman come the regular season? Have a battle in Camp or attempt to get value now out of one of them via trade?

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What should the Bucs do with the Four Tight Ends they have on their roster?
Four Horsemen? I like it, keep 'em all!
73 votes
Definitely Trade one and get some Draft Picks
249 votes
Four Tight Ends?! Four Tight Ends!? Figures
42 votes
When does the NFL Draft start?
20 votes

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KEEP 'EM ALL!!!

TIGHT ENDS FOR EVERYONE!!!

Actually, I have to think Alex Smith might be on the way out, which saddens me because he is a solid player who has good potential. But picking up Winslow and resigning Stevens, makes me think Gilmore will be kept as the blocker of the group and Smith will be ushered out.

Or…

Winslow will be playing very little true tight end, meaning we still have a need for all three. But I find it hard to justify carrying 4 TEs on the roster when we have 0 QBs. ZING!

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by The Bull Gator on Mar 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TE is probably next to full back in the importance of depth.

We need those roster spots badly. Cut Nugent, Cut Smith (or trade them). However, it wouldn’t surprise me if we don’t. After all, we probably wouldn’t use that extra roster spot anyway…or we would just pay some injury prone cornerback to be on IR for us.

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by UNFNOLE on Mar 11, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just imagine a 4 TE set in the redzone......

Smith and Gilmore on the inside …..Winslow and Stevens on the out……Askew and Ward in the backfield……many many options…..or two back set with Graham……

by buccanator on Mar 11, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would be ineffective...

Think about it. You wouldn’t have to put CB’s in the game and you would just load the box with linebackers. This would completely take the run game down, esp with blockers guys who stand there really well and look like blockers. Your pass options would be limited as it is much easier to find good matchups.

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by UNFNOLE on Mar 11, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winslow and Stevens have enough speed to break away from linebackers

……..or swing passes to the RB’s……still have Carnell and Clifton as options too….

by buccanator on Mar 11, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few jersey notes...

…might want to edit the picture above Jerry. Winslow will wear #84.

Derrick Ward is going with #28. Mike Nugent will be sporting #5. Paris Warren will be #1 for now, which obviously won’t last if he makes the regular season roster since that number isn’t allowed for receivers. And Niko Koutouvides will be in #53.

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by The Bull Gator on Mar 11, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

.

Actually I read on the Bucs website that Winslow would wear 18, his college number backwards.

by zakattackthe on Mar 11, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the link...

click.

It says he will begin his career with the Bucs wearing #84.

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by The Bull Gator on Mar 11, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.

Thats weird because thats the same article i read earlier that said that he would be 18. The one paragraph in the end about him was completely different.

by zakattackthe on Mar 11, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird...

…maybe he changed his mind.

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by The Bull Gator on Mar 11, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many of those guy's do

we reasonably anticipate making the roster? Kout’s Warren and Nugent have a very good shot of not being here in late August.

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by UNFNOLE on Mar 11, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Kout has a good chance...

…but Warren and Nugent maybe not. Just figured since I was listing a couple, I might as well put them all.

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by The Bull Gator on Mar 11, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i took a stab in the dark at #83

i’ll see what i can do with it…

He should have went with Jurevicius’ old number though : )

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by JScott on Mar 12, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd prefer someone with Winslow's personality...

…stay away from Joe’s old number.

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by The Bull Gator on Mar 12, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well noted

ha!

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by JScott on Mar 12, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else disturbed by the pic?

I didn’t notice those were horse-bottoms before, I first saw them and was asking why the guys were wearing Creamsicle pants from the old uniform… :-p

by John Fontana on Mar 11, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That picture...

…just makes me loath Jerramy Stevens the man even more than I already do.

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by The Bull Gator on Mar 11, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha-ha

creamsicle pants and horse-bottoms… that’s the banter i was going for when i melded it together, ha!

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by JScott on Mar 12, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade Alex Smith

We need picks Smith can get us at least a 5th rounder, we need quantity. Also if we can get Cutler using Smith as a piece in a trade then it would be even better.

by atlantaray on Mar 11, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All 4

I’m betting on the fact that they keep all 4 given Raheem Morris’s offensive sets reliant on TE’s, winslow’s injury problems etc… if they do lose one it’ll be as a result of performance in training camp… although I would relish a trade for Cutler!

by Rossiroo on Mar 11, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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