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A quarterback coach or offensive coordinator, not both.

Drafting a potential franchise quarterback is only part of the battle in the NFL.  Not only do you have to properly identify talent, you have to be in a position to draft that prospect.  Just being in the right place to have access to a franchise changer is difficult enough, but when you compare it to the months and years of development ahead, it might seem that scouting and drafting are the easy parts of the equation.

Once you have found a player you feel can and will succeed at the next level, the hard part begins.  As I've never been either an NFL prospect or an NFL coach, I can only guess as to what goes on behind closed doors, but let me take a shot at it.  You have to work on footwork, tweak the delivery, teach the player the new lingo and playbook.  You have to essentially break them of the college game (at least for most QBs) and begin to refine their entire player persona.  This requires hours of coaching and teaching.  Even with all the right teaching and tools, it does not guarantee a success.  You don't want too many cooks in the kitchen, but at the same time you almost need a 24 hour babysitter to help push the young player the right way.

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The Bucs had the right idea, but have done a terrible job of following through with it.  Lets assume for a second that Josh Freeman is a franchise quarterback, that he has most, if not all of the tools to be successful.  Raheem Morris and Mark Dominik (and others) did their due diligence;  they scouted, tested and finally traded up and selected Freeman with the 17th pick of the 2009 NFL draft.  Lets also assume that the coaches we have in place are capable and competent in what they do. 

When Freeman was drafted, we had a plan (apparently) in place.  We would hire an offensive coordinator to develop and implement a scheme that would play to our team's strengths.  He would be the individual that would be tasked with formulating a game plan every week and calling plays on Sundays.  The Bucs would also have a quarterbacks coach on the team.  A person who worked solely with the quarterback, not only on fundamentals, but also coached them up on the finer points of the game plan.

With a veteran quarterback, I would venture a guess that while a quarterbacks coach is still needed, he is not as necessary as he would be on a team with a yount/rookie quarterback.  My reasoning for this is fairly simple.  A young quarterback typically needs more guidance and coaching than an established veteran, though a third party to each player is a good thing. 

Again, I'm not an NFL coach, but I would imagine that in Freeman's first 6 months with the team, they would have worked on his ability to read a defense, the process of going through his progressions, footwork, proper technique when throwing the ball, conditioning, game management, and some leadership tools.  How each coach handles those duties probably differs, but you just hope that the people in position to make a difference can handle those tasks.

Back to the original assumptions.  With both an OC and QBC in place, Freeman would be tutored on quarterback specifics daily by one coach who was dedicated to being a full time quarterbacks coach.  This was the original plan.  As we all know, that has changed drastically in the previous few months.

We now have one coach who is acting as both.  I don't want to discuss his successes or failures as an OC or as a QB coach, but point more towards the demands on his time.  Olson no longer is able to work with Freeman on a daily/hourly basis.  His time now has to be split, to what degree I don't know, but I imagine developing a game plan, installing new plays, film study on opposing defenses and scripting of plays takes a fair amount of time.  And all that time was previously supposed to be dedicated to Freeman.

Olson is not at fault here, not for this particular quandary.  If Jeff Garcia were still here (or any other vet QB), I don't know that it would be a big deal.  But with a fresh faced rookie, who by all accounts wasn't ready to start Day 1 and needed/needs to develop, the Bucs are basically depriving him of a full time coach.  I've harped on this all year, coaches are put in place to get their players in the best position to win a game.  For each coach and team that means something different.  Right now, that's not happening. 

The play calling dilemma is a conversation for another day.  I don't see how the Bucs organization can be successful with some of the practices and policies they have in place.  I'd love for Freeman to succeed, but we aren't loading the deck in his favor with the current staff and their allocations. 

We all saw Freeman throw 5 picks two weeks ago against the Panthers.  It was just one of those games and I hoped we would never see it again.  After that, there should have been a ton of film study, tweaking and coaching done.  Maybe there was.  But when he came out and fired a few more picks and looked generally awful against the Jets, it raised huge red flags for me.  We have one of two problems (or maybe both).  Either Freeman isn't learning, retaining, or progressing as he should (it's still early, I realize this), or he isn't getting the help he needs.

Freeman and the QB coach should have been tearing up film this week to correct the issues.  To me, some of them are obvious.  He has a propensity to stare down receivers, he rarely steps into throws to put some gas behind them,  he makes ill-advised throws when a check down is available, and ball security.  I would assume these all can be fixed as many quarterbacks had the same issue at points.  But on Sunday, I saw no evidence that any of this was even talked about.  And let me be fair.  They may have spent all week working on this and Freeman just didn't get it or didn't execute.  While that's a possibility, I think it leans more on coaching.  Freeman, for all his talent, hasn't progressed from start #1 until now, he's regressed.  He still stares down targets, he doesn't dump the ball off or throw it away and seems to be comfortable just throwing off his back foot.  That's a recipe for disaster now and later.

It's also no secret that the Bucs coaching staff has been a disaster and in flux all year.  Jags, Bates, Olson (as an OC); these guys have all been under fire.  These guys were or can be replaced, but what can't be replaced is Freeman's rookie year, his supposed "learning" year.  It does no good to continue throwing him out there without the proper tools or preparation.  Throwing just to have him throw is not a good practice, especially when his bad habits aren't being corrected. 

It's important to make use of the last 3 games for him.  This means extra film, extra study, extra prep on his part.  It also means the Bucs front office needs to realize that they need to hire someone who can take Freeman aside and coach him as a quarterbacks coach, full time, not as an OC/QB coach a part of the time.  The clock is ticking, this year is almost over, Freeman won't be a rookie next year which means we will expect more of him.  I wrote when we first drafted him, signed him and started him that since he's on the team now, its on the Bucs staff to give him the chance to succeed.  Right now, they are failing miserably.  And unfortunately, this is one of those things that holds back franchises. 

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What I see is that there is more tape on Freeman that other teams now have to study on and lets be honest the Jets defense is pretty good and without some of our wepons it was a tough day. It should get better, but I dont see it with this personel. I really dont. I am tired of hearing Morris saying it’s the coaching fault for whatever reason ever single week. How the heck does a 1-whatever team have a flat practice? COME ON!!!

How awesome would it be next year to have Weis as the OC and Coach Cowher as the head coach with Suh her now I know I am dreaming but this team needs names to get notified again. I am tired of people talking bad about the Bucs and being the butt end of jokes. Nobody and I mean nobody in the league fears this team. I remember Strahan saying when they won their last Super Bowl that they were worried about every team they faced in the playoffs except one team……….yep you guessed it The Bucs. Get the right people in here or we will never be a team like the Colts or Patriots….Sorry for rambling but my fustration level has reached its limit..

by DeathWalker on Dec 14, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Funny that Strahan

said that considering we were kicking their asses until we stopped running the ball after halftime. I still have no idea why Gruden decided to get cute in that game. harumph

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by LeeCaz on Dec 14, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can remember screaming at the top of my lungs after the first quarter when Gruden started going to the air

It baffled me to no end. I was livid.

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by Buc Wild on Dec 14, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Deathwalker,

I feel your frustration. We all do. You and I want the same thing. We want to hear about the Bucs every night on espn, instead of the Pats. We want to see the Bucs go 12-0 every year before they lose a game like the Colts always do.

But lets take a look at these two franchises. Peyton led the league in interceptions his rookie year, but turned into what he is today. They had a 3-13 season. The Pats under new head coach Belichick? 5-11. They were 8-8 the year before. The Colts were 9- 7 only two years before, and were in the AFC Championship game 3 years before.

Its very easy to lay blame on Raheem Morris, and Mark Dominik. Its also easier to lay blame on the Owners.
Its a lot harder to lay the blame where it belongs.;….on everyone. The players too.

The only solution is to upgrade the talent via the draft, like those Colts and Pats did when they started their dynasty, and get the OC and DC coaching positions straightened out.
Raheem Morris has one less year Defensive Coordinator experience than Mike Tomlin did. So what.
The new coach of the Rams Spagnulo? He coached a defense to a world championship. But his Rams gave up over 40+ points last night. Why? Because the players stink, just like here.
It takes more than one year to rebuild a football team.

Now if you want to make short term fixes, we can. We can spend all the cap room and bring in ten veterans that will play better and give us an 8-8 or 9-7 record, but then we will have to keep replacing these guys with more of the same, never building a team the right way, where you can do better than 9-7, and after all, isnt that why we did this in the first place? Do you really want 2009 to have been for nothing?

Bill Cowher won one Superbowl in 15 years. He did it because his ownership stuck with him through thick and thin. Charlie Weis? Do you not think he instituted his offense at Notre Dame? Yet they stunk. Why?
Because their talent level is lower than their competition.

Its a players league…not a coaches league. Players play.
Has Raheem or Dominik made any mistakes? Yes, of course they have. They have also made some good moves, and they will learn from their mistakes. Domnik has learned from Rich McKay and Bruce Allen, as well as others who have done well in the NFL. He has been here since the Sam Wyche days. Trust me, Dominik knows what he is doing. Raheem Morris learned under the great Monte Kiffin. He also learned under Jon Gruden and Mike Tomlin. When he went to Kstate, their defense improved dramatically. Look how its improved here?
The players play hard for him, they stick together for him. This team has NOT broken down, have not pointed fingers at each other either.

Lets give this team another year to move forward with the plan, because I could not stomach knowing this whole year was for nothing.

Viva la Bucco Bruce 1976-1996 (reincarnated 2009)

by Niko Houllis on Dec 14, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on some things

but I think you put too much stock into these guys predicated on who they learned under. Nobody is going to get Raheem Morris confused with Monte. They are two very different men. Same goes with Dominik and Allen/McKay. Just because they served under those guys doesn’t mean they are the 2nd coming of them. I learned a lot in school, but I have forgotten 75% of it.

I guess what I am trying to say is that they are their own men. I will judge them on their performance and thus far, neither man has done anything to inspire my confidence in them. Will I hope for the best and wish with all my heart that these guys have what it takes to create the team you envision? Of course, I would never wish failure on them, but I will also attribute success to them that they have not earned.

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Dec 14, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, can't really compare these guys to other teams or coaches.

Mike Tomlin took over a Super Bowl winning team, and won another one with the same team (same players for the most part) and so on.

But this is just as much a coaches league as it is a players league, college is different, but in the NFL, coaches really do matter.

Our defense has not improved from last year, it’s gotten way worse, even with the improvement from the switch. Our offense has gotten way worse, and uglier too.

There is no hope with this coaching staff, and I’ve said that from the day they hired him. Morris should do what his alma matter did, quit football.

by bucnut1 on Dec 14, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think certain guys can and will have success

I think Bisaccia is doing a good job, I think Olson was ok as a quarterbacks coach, etc. We have some pieces in place, but lets not force people to be something they arent (i.e. Olson).

You know, Morris has come out and said (as well as Olson) that we went back to Gruden’s playbook and were force feeding that to Freeman. Why isnt that a bigger deal?

We got rid of Gruden because of his offense, his personnel management and lack of establishing any sort of progression system. Yet here were are using the same playbook. No one makes a big deal or talks about this and it baffles me. We have the same offense, exact same offense (we even started shifting last Sunday) and yet no one says a word.

The last thing we needed was a huge complex playbook for a rookie who admittedly has a hard time reading defenses. Make it simple. An easier playbook that features two reads (and you keep those reads on one side of the field) and a dump off. You make Freeman read (and only let him read) one side of the field and as he progresses, you open up more. This is common NFL practice. I’ve always heard and seen how they limit playbooks, limit young guys to half the field and will give them more rope when they are ready.

Instead we threw a Gruden phonebook at him and said, go do it. I’m not saying Bucco Bruce Gradkowski is the next Montana, but he hasnt looked half bad out in Oakland. I think we did him a HUGE disservice by throwing him in as early as we did with Gruden’s playbook and winging it 35+ times (sound familiar)? Would he have been an All-Pro here? I highly doubt it, but we also………..pause for drama……didnt set him up to succeed either. Thats what being a coach is. That needs to be understood. Coaches dont play, but they have an impact on each and every game. Put our players in a position to succeed.

/tangent.

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by Buc Wild on Dec 14, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure they are using Grudens book

because they use the same formation (singular on purpose) over and over and over again. Gruden changed things up, ran a lot of different kinds of motion and actually adapted and fixed problems during the games.

by bucnut1 on Dec 15, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I know. I just don't see it on the field.

I’m sure they’re gonna say anything now anyway. They’re worried about losing their jobs, why not blame Gruden some more, lol.

by bucnut1 on Dec 15, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This coaching staff doesn't make adjustments, and it seems like they really don't game plan for the upcoming teams at all.

This philosophy of “we’re gonna do what we do” and “they’re gonna do what they do” just doesn’t work. Your job as a coach, along with your staff is to keep them from “doing what they do” and force them to do what you want them to do.

I’ve said this before and I’m sure I’ll say it plenty more times as well. They need to use more split back formations to protect Freeman. Yesterday is the best example of why, the Jets blitzed from the right side repeatedly, and this is the side where there’s no RB back there. When they put in the split back formation (the only time), it worked and Freeman had time. And btw, Ward is a horrible blocker, that or just lazy, didn’t even try to block yesterday. Ward gets my “Alvin Harper Award”.

I think after yesterdays game it is pretty obvious that they are not working with Freeman the way they should. For the first time since he’s been playing, he looked like JJ, and that’s not a compliment. The coaching staff is lost and they’re gonna do more damage to Freeman than good, they really need to go away.

The second I hear the great news of Morris being canned, I’m popping open the bubbly.

by bucnut1 on Dec 14, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have already started

Drinking the bubbly on this team. I thought when Freeman first became a starter that Morris’s job was secure, but now this team hasn’t really showed any sign of getting better, except maybe the defense since Morris took over, but that proves he might be a good DC, but not a HC!!!

I really don’t want any of these guys back for next year!!!!!!!

by DeathWalker on Dec 14, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yessssss!

i agree bucnut1 rah maybe a good guy also maybe a decent dc soneday but he is not a hc by far now he blames fridays practice! that falls on him does it not. every time he hits the podium he sounds like a idiot. he is not qaulified to be a head coach period!

by mikeg1964 on Dec 14, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm just amazed at how bad Freeman has looked.

He’s the one pulling the triggers but it seems (and I could very well be wrong) that he gets no help from the coaching staff. Who goes over snapshots of film with him after each possession? Does he even do it? I’ve never looked, but i see Manning, Brady, other QB’s looking at the pictures of sets and plays. I’m not saying we should keep or fire Olson, but he needs one job title, not two.

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by Buc Wild on Dec 14, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've never seen anybody going over the pics with him

To be honest with you, I really thought he would have been past last week, and we would have been in a close game. I don’t give NY any credit cause I don’t think they’re that good, and either do the 15 Jets fans I had to sit with yesterday.

But it does fall to coaching, we saw regression and not progression yesterday. I’m not a Gruden supporter or anything like that, not did I call for his head. But I’d bet if he was still here, even with these players, we’d still be in playoff contention. Morris/Olson are that bad.

by bucnut1 on Dec 14, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I cant say with any certainty that they do or don't go over the stillshots with him

but I would question why they arent (if they indeed arent going over them). He’s a young guy, you cant force feed him but I would be doing everything in my power as owner, Gm and coach to make sure he succeeds. I dont think they are at this point.

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by Buc Wild on Dec 14, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great piece.

I’m curious to take a closer look at the ebb and flow of Freeman’s stats at K-State, which I’m going to do this week.

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by Craig T on Dec 14, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks. I wish I had something to back it up with though.

Being a quarterback in the NFL requires talent (both physical and mental) and ability to adapt and overcome adversity (interceptions). Some of this can’t be taught, but some of it can be taught. I dont know Freeman’s habits, nor do I know his schedule and how the coaches try to teach him or how often they meet with him. My guess is they could do more. I feel like Olson is taking the same route he would’ve taken with Garcia or Griese (which is the same thing as saying he can’t adapt).

This is a HUGE leap but based on his inabiilty to adapt his playcalling (not changing based on starting QB as we say with Lefty, JJ and Freeman) or changing based on down, distance and context (as we see every week), it seems he isn’t adapting here, but he is only part of the blame. He should not have both positions with a rookie QB. This is something that should have been fixed the minute they fired Jags and promoted Olson.

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by Buc Wild on Dec 14, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet Jagz is happy to not be here now.

And I’m sure he told Morris where to go and that’s why he was fired. I was actually excited when they hired him, I know he’s good with QB’s, and I like what he did at BC. Of course we don’t know what it would have been like with him still here. I only wish we got a chance to see.

by bucnut1 on Dec 14, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jagz should have been hired to be the head coach.

Morris should have been left as the D-Coordinator.

I still think we should look at hiring Holmgren as the GM here in Tampa. This is not a slap at Dominik as the current GM but I would like to see a GM with a proven track record of success during a re-building phase. That is the only thing I can not see from him as he has no track record. Currently I think we need to at least get Ruskell back into our player personell department.

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by PewterPirate55 on Dec 14, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well the one thing that sticks out to me about Freeman

is that he has always been on a bad team and somehow the fault has never been attributed to him. Is he just unlucky or does he lack some necessary component of what makes up a winner?

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by LeeCaz on Dec 14, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice one BW

I agree that the Olson/Freeman tandem could use some improvement. I wonder if they will demote Olson back to QB coach and hire a new OC. This would quiet all the “consistency is the best thing” people. As far as I know he wasn’t given a raise along with his promotion was he?

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by LeeCaz on Dec 14, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think your right on two counts..

1) Its still early
2) there should be an OC and QB Coach, two people, two positions.

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by Niko Houllis on Dec 14, 2009 4:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is a situation where I wish we as fans knew the relationships and structure of the coaching staff

Can Dominik (or would Dominik) tell Olson, look, your scheme sucks, change it? Or does he (Olson) have complete autonomy to do what he wants?

I’m not even looking at play calling in this, I just think they should err on the side of caution with a potential franchise QB and it seems they aren’t doing that. In my eyes, as I’ve said all along, they should coddle him. Run heavy scheme, max protection, easy reads, dump offs, screens etc, then as he gets comfortable, you add some other stuff. Make the scheme fit him, let him grow into it, not force him to “mature” as a QB much faster than he can.

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by Buc Wild on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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