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Freeman's Future


If any of you gentlemen (and perhaps ladies) ever read my fanposts and comments, I think I have made it pretty clear about what I think about Josh Freeman. Now, let me begin this post by saying that I hope Freeman will succeed. I just don't expect him to.

I have stated many times that I thought the pick was idiotic. That we should have started Leftwich or Johnson this year, and drafted one of the premier QB's coming out in 2010's draft. No use crying over spilled milk though, what's done is done as they say.

My question I pose to you, Bucs fans, is this: how long are you willing to trust the future of the franchise to Freeman? He is most likely going to go out there and stink it up. How badly though? What if he pulls a Ryan Leaf, who was benched after nine games with the San Diego Chargers. As bad as it sounds, I don't think it's out of the realm of possiblity that Freeman could put up similar numbers. Leaf actually won his first two games in San Diego.

I guess I'm just worried that if Freeman goes out there and does horribly, that the team will go ahead and write off next season as Josh Freeman learning experience 2.0. At what point can you pull a first round draft pick and say "This kid just doesn't have it." Do they turn their backs on Freeman after nine games as a starter if he posts a 39.0 passer rating (as Leaf did). Leaf was also notorious for his problems off the field and with the San Diego media. It would seem that Freeman is above that thus far, so we have to remove that negativity from the equation.

I know it's ridiculous to compare Freeman, who hasn't even taken a snap yet, to Leaf. Yet you have to remember though, Leaf was drafted right after Peyton Manning, and many scouts thought he would actually be a much better NFL QB. Let's not forget that Leaf's pedigree coming into the NFL was MUCH better than Freeman's. He was actually a winner in college (took Washington State to the Rose Bowl) and almost won the Heisman Trophy. Freeman doesn't have any of these stats, but does have the same "tools".

While going the route of Leaf is obviously the worst case scenario; what is the best? I would say that if Freeman could come out and play like Jay Cutler did as a rookie I would absolutely love it. Cutler also came from a bad team (Vandy, though in a much more competitive conference), impressed scouts with his natural abilities, and was considered by some scouts to be superior to both Vince Young and Matt Leinart (those guys should have given raises). He was inserted into the Broncos line up late in November, 2006. His first game was a bit rough. He went 10-21 for 143 yards, two TD's and two INTs. Cutler looked a little better the next week, and got a win in his 3rd start. Obviously, we all know what happened after that. He became a pro bowler in his 3rd year in the NFL and brought two first round pick value in trade to Denver.

Obviously this years Buccaneers are a far cry from the 2006 Denver Broncos, we don't have anywhere close to their core set of players. Yet, I still think that Freeman could possibly follow the career path taken by Cutler. Recent reports about Freeman's weight gain and lack of preparation ring a bell as well. Similar things were being whispered amongst Cutler's doubters in 2006.

So which will it be Bucs fans? Do you think Freeman will follow the career path of Ryan Leaf or Jay Cutler? I'm sure it will be somewhere in the middle. If Freeman does stink it up like Leaf, would you be willing to sit and watch him continue to fail next season, only to have to address the QB situation in 2011? Should the Buc's consider taking a more proven college comodity like Clausen, Bradford, or McCoy and trying to trade Freeman to a team that can afford to let him sit and learn for a few years?

I know it's crazy, but it might be the best move if he goes out there and looks completely overwhelmed. This situation grows even stronger legs if Morris is let go after this season.

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to be honest

I agree with you with the fact that i didn’t like the pick. I would have gone Defense (but that’s easy to say now) But i think if Freeman stinks it up this season, the coaching staff will point to the lack of weapons, (which isn’t true) and i feel this year we will go Dline man with at least 2 picks this year, we probably wont add any one significant to the offense (and we shouldn’t have to) and if Freeman comes out sucking, i have a feeling we will all be looking in Clauson’s direction. But i feel regardless of how poor Freeman plays this year or the next, the coaching staff will point to everyone else around Freeman instead of pointing at him.

But if Freeman comes out Blazing, then It’s because of Freeman. I don’t think he will be good for another 2 years. But that’s just me, who am i? Some random bucs fan who doesn’t even live in FL. I just hope that with the tools (good, young OLine, K2, 2 good RBs Sammie and AB) that Freeman is able to play well. But as of right now all i really care about is that we take the best DT on the board….

by shadowchicken on Nov 2, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very true

DT is by far and away our biggest need. I am just throwing out possible scenarios. I have a man crush on Jimmy Clausen. I have been hearing about him since he was a junior in high school. Despite the fact that I hate Notre Dame, I have to grudgingly admit that he has showed marked improvement every season at N.D. and I am impressed by his ability to make ALL the throws.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Nov 3, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no it's cool

i have a man crush on Clausen; But something tells me he isn’t going to come out just yet. N.D just started to be good again and teams just started to take them seriously, and if he comes out now, he wont be a top 5 pick (in my mind, but the Rams might take him) Which gives us a season to see what Freeman’s got. If we play well with Freeman then not getting Clausen wont be so bad; but if he stinks it up…we should def. call his name in the 2011 draft….

by shadowchicken on Nov 5, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

after 2010, thats when.

Youll know if he is for real or now, you will see the signs. You will see the promising plays. TDs. First Downs. Theyll be mixed in with Interceptions to though…

Will the NY Jets please stop wearing those Titans uniforms. For a team that was only around for one year, Ive seen those uniforms 5 times already!

by Niko Houllis on Nov 2, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How can you be so sure?

At what point can you say that he isn’t showing enough of those promising plays? It is very possible that Freeman is going to go out there and look absolutely horrible. If he throws 4-5 picks a game and sub 200 yards for all nine games would you still want him to be the starting QB next season?

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Freeman has weapons......

Kellen Winslow, Antonio Bryant, Sammy Stroughter, Cadillac Williams, Derrick Ward

Jeff Faine will take the offensive line adjustments and all Freeman has to do is hand the ball off and make sure not to throw to Clayton.

by buccanator on Nov 2, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL...nicely said.

If we can run the ball succesfully, and if continue to run the ball, Freeman will look ok. When Sanchez, Ryan, Flacco looked good, their teams were running the ball well, and werent asking their QBs to win the game for them.

If were not behind in this game, and we pass more than we run, that will be MY first sign that there is something wrong with the coaching on this team.

Will the NY Jets please stop wearing those Titans uniforms. For a team that was only around for one year, Ive seen those uniforms 5 times already!

by Niko Houllis on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel the same way about JJ, but they've already proven to me that they didn't get it right but failing to run the ball.

Hopefully they learn from their mistakes, but they did JJ and the team a disservice by their inability to plan for him.

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by Buc Wild on Nov 3, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

and are they going to do right by Freeman? I have heard a lot of lip service from the coaching staff about things they are going to do, but haven’t it seen any of it materialize on the field as of yet.

You get what you pay for.

by LeeCaz on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Freeman's future depends on

the future of the coaching staff. If this mess of a goup of coaches don’t get fired, Freeman will be here and play most likely. If they are fired and they bring somebody new in, it wouldn’t surprise or bother me if they go after one of the QB’s coming out this year, which should have been done anyway. I was not a big fan of him being picked, but I won’t turn my back on the kid. I hope he does great and has a great career here, even go up on the ring of honor with Lee Roy Selmon, but we’ll have to wait and see. He did OK in the preseason, did some good things, did some bad things, so now’s his chance to prove he belongs here. As far as AB goes, I don’t see him being here next year and I doubt the Bucs will slap the FT on him again. I do hope they are working on something now with him, cause I think he’s worth keeping around.

by bucnut1 on Nov 3, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs


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