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morris must go NOW!!

this is the worst coach in the NFL...but as usual he was hired at a K-mart price with K-mart skills...and whats with his selected group of QB,s?      they are all terrible....but I guess they are just a reflection of thier leader.....hummmm...maybe he should fire the d-coordinator as well....then the Special Teams Coach.....then the other assistant coaches then the scouts then the beer sales guy then the peanut sales guy then any one else he can blame for his lack of skills....oh well he sure can chest bumb his players like a pro even when there losing he's excited about just being a head coach (for a short time, hopefully) even if his team sucks bad!!!!!

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I disagree

Even if we had the best coach ever we would still have a losing record…give it some time man.

by Trobes05 on Oct 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

like thatoptomism

Just real frustrating, been struggling for respect since 1976 then dungy comes in and does a great job with little or no talent….got us a little spoiled

this morris guy is not the respectable leader we deserve…Morris must and will go…..has too

the mart man

by martymar on Oct 6, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand.

What have you stated in support of Morris being either a bad coach or not a respectable leader? Your post contains nothing of intelligence or reason in support of him being a bad coach.

Do you realize he’s cleaning up the steaming mess that Gruden and Bruce Allen left behind? You have to give him a chance. This post is ridiculous.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Oct 9, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sup

Craig, haven’t seen you around for a while?

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by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 9, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word.

Lot of stuff going on. I made my way over to the GDT two weeks ago.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Oct 9, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will be good to

see you back again

J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.

by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 9, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much appreciated

I’m along for the ride, even if it’s going to be a de-railed one. The development of some of these young players and the upcoming offseason are going to be so huge. I’m as interested in seeing that play out as I am about what’s taking place on the field.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Oct 9, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*I meant to say evaluation AND development,

as I’m sure some guys just won’t make it long term.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Oct 9, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

like that optomisim

Just real frustrating, been struggling for respect since 1976 then dungy comes in and does a great job with little or no talent….got us a little spoiled

this morris guy is not the respectable leader we deserve…Morris must and will go…..has too

the mart man

by martymar on Oct 6, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ya

Not saying he is a good coach but its not just him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets canned after this season or next unless there is a turn around. I still think he was signed because the Glazer’s didn’t want to sign a sub par head coach for a lot of money since no one was left when they fired Gruden. I am hoping Cowher wants to come in and take over but that’s a reach.

by Trobes05 on Oct 6, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher is going to Panthers

He already has a lot of ties to the Carolina area, and that is the job he wants. John Fox prevented it from happening last year, but you can bet your bottom dollar that Bill Cowher will be the head coach of the Carolina Panthers next season after this debacle of season they are putting up.

by LeeCaz on Oct 7, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope not

I would hate for him to be in the sout.

by McBuc on Oct 7, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard....

that Rumor of Bill Cowher going to the Panthers for those reasons also. I have also heard that Mike Shanahan is likely to go to the Cowboys and Mike Holmgrin is likely to go to the Redskins so if any of these are true and The Bucs do fire Morris their is not much of a chance the Bucs will get a coach of their caliber. If so, I wouldn’t know who it could be.

"In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to It." - Coach Paul 'Bear' Bryant

by Tye on Oct 7, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless we go 0-16

I think they will give Morris at least one year, probably two. You never know though. It’s not like they aren’t going to go after one of the Mikes if they express interest in coming here.

Morris is still learning on the job, as our most of our players. I think it’s pretty obvious at this point that Morris would have been better off serving time as our D.C. before getting the head coaching job. Would the defense have been this terrible with him calling the schemes? If yes, then he never would have gotten this opportunity so in many ways he should consider himself lucky.

Where does Morris’ salary stack up against other coaches? I heard his is the lowest in the NFL. You get what you pay for. (I’m thinking about changing my user name to that)

by LeeCaz on Oct 8, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We were shocked when Gruden and Allen got fired

I wouldn’t be surprised if they fire everyone to get a top notch coach or GM.

by buccanator on Oct 8, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldnt say little or no talent,

Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, Culpepper, Nickerson, Abraham, Alstott, Mayberry, Gruber, Beckles, Rhett, there is some talent there!

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 10, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

Rod Marinelli IS the worst coach in the NFL.

"What we do in life echoes in eternity..." - Maximus Decimus Meridius

by Buctooth on Oct 6, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Players win Championships

It started with Sam Wyche bringing in quality players. Rich McKay and Tony Dungy bringing in more talent on top of that. Then when the players hit there peak with key FA pickups to fill the holes, we win a SuperBowl with Jon Gruden.

Coaches direct the players in the right direction but the players have to execute.

We have talent on this team and I do feel that this coaching staff is subpar. With that said, A lot of changes need to be made but firing the coaching staff right now will not help anything. We are in a growing process that wil take years to fix.

If the Glazers want to be competitive again, we will have a new staff and new players in a couple of years. No Quick fixes any time soon.

We go 0-16 and remain uncompetitve. Then yes, everyone needs to be fired. If we go 0-16 and improvements are apparent, then Raheem Morris needs to stay and grow with the proper coaching staff and proper players.

by buccanator on Oct 7, 2009 7:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like I've said before

nobody takes a 9-7 team to a 0-16 team and keeps their job. Heads are going to roll if that happens. Morris and maybe even Dominik.

by LeeCaz on Oct 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here we go again

I don’t disagree that 9-7 followed by 0-16 is bad, but the talent level has changed. Now, Morris may have had a say in it, but you can’t compare 08 to 09, they are two COMPLETELY different teams.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just sayin

Marinelli had nothing to work with, should have been given another year IMO, but he still got canned. Fans will demand the head of someone. They may be able to get away with only firing Olson or Bates, but I doubt it.

Let’s quit this 0-16 talk anyway. It’s depressing.

by LeeCaz on Oct 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gruden

Gruden took an 11-5 team to an 4 -11 team. I was and I still am a Gruden fan, but his time here was like a roller coaster ride. Everyother season we looked good. Please be patient and give Rah some time.

by McBuc on Oct 7, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sam Wyche

never gets any credit, but he did have a pretty good eye for talent (-Dilfer). But Dungy took over and did a great job with it. I wonder if Dungy would be interested in a GM job, I would love to see that. He’ll never coach again, and if he tried, the Colts would have some say in it.

by bucnut1 on Oct 10, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ive heard that idea brought up alot, that if Dungy were to get into football again,

It would be as a GM. However, it was probably more Rich McKay that eyed the talent. In Dungy’s book, he talks about how he wanted a RB named McElroy. Wanted him bad! He was taken right before our pick, so the Bucs hesitantly took Mike Alstott! We ended up getting McElroy anyways a couple years earlier…he was a bust. Just one example though….

JJ vs Skins prediction- 17/29 243 1 TD 1 INT 9 Carries 72 yards 1 TD

by Niko Houllis on Oct 10, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MartyMar, glad you weren't around in 1996 or you would have been saying..

Tony Dungy is the worst coach ever, we should have gotten Jimmy Johnson or Steve Spurrier. We need to fire those kmart assistant coaches Lovie Smith, Herm Edwards, Rod Marinelli, ….

The Bucs did NOT save money by firing Jon Gruden and paying him 3 million a year ON TOP OF Bruce Allen’s salary, to sit down on MNF, AND pay a head coach too. The cheap way would have been to simply leave Gruden in charge, and have a bunch more 9-7 seasons with an occasional 6-10 and an 11-5 when we play a soft schedule.

This is only a 4 game losing streak on a team that has had 0 losing seasons in the last 2 years. Be patient, be thankful you dont have to sit through 14 losing seasons like some of us did.

If he truely is a bad coach, the Glazers are commited to putting a winner on the field, and if they can fire a coach who won them a Superbowl, and fire a coach that completely turned the franchise around, they can fire Raheem too.

Thanks for the FanPost…although taking a few more seconds and formatting it properly would have given it more of an impact instead of sounding like your just peeved as if its 2 minutes after watching the game.

JJ vs Skins prediction- 17/29 243 1 TD 1 INT 9 Carries 72 yards 1 TD

by Niko Houllis on Oct 7, 2009 7:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Only 2 Bucs CoachesAvoided an 0 - 4 Start

Perkins and Wyche…I like McKay, Dungy, and Gruden’s company better. This year is the time for Raheem and the young Bucs to learn, next year is the time to grow (8-8), and the third year is time to prove it to the world with a visit to the playoffs. This is hard to watch, nut I think we should all give Morris and the rest of the Bucs some time to grow. Niko said it all in the post above.

by McBuc on Oct 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying I have 100% faith in Morris, but do people realize that this is a top to bottom fail so far?

Everyone has had a hand in this, including Gruden and Allen. To blame just Leftwich or just Morris is insane.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 7, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very True. Just like one play doesnt lose a game, there are MANY faults for this

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 7, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

awesome

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UGH!

This is getting old fast, why are people still defending this guy I for one have seen enough. do we really want another losing season while this clown is on a learning curve that never ends? Look at the broncos and mcdaniels lst year they were what 8-8 he got rid of cutler and wow look they are 4-0 while we are 0-4. Now go ahead jump all over me and tell me how the two situations are not the same.

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 7, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BucfanlostinIowa

and martymar…. please continue to stick around and read the articles, educate yourselves and properly assess the situation.

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by UNFNOLE on Oct 7, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

omg

Read the articles? Educate yourselves? You ………….words escape me,who are you to insult my intelligence? I don’t need to quote a bunch of stats or post videos,or brag about my college education to know a crummy coach when I see one!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 7, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want you to have more of an argument than

what you posted above. There is a lot more reasons why we are losing that Morris being the head coach. I wasn’t trying to insult your intelligence, I have just gotten sick of repeating a response to this kind of statement. I have never bragged about my education nor do I feel like I am a better fan than you. I simply want you to be able to defend a statement.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 8, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

..........

I am well aware of the state of this organization, the lack of depth, the glazers indifference,etc. etc, however the title of the fanpost is “morriss must go now” and I was merely replying to it. Morriss sucks, that is my opinion and I think the facts speak for themselves. As the season wears on be prepared for more and more people to respond in this manner, people come here to vent their frustrations, get over yourself and lighten up!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because people say it doesn't make it true.

What “facts” prove Morris is the reason we are losing?

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More importantly

would we have won a game with a different coach than Morris?

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by UNFNOLE on Oct 8, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the entire loss at washington

does not fall completely on nugent, the refusal to go for it on fourth down late in the game, why was clifton smith running the ball at the end, why was nugent even still the kicker after week one?after a good start against dallas they fell apart in buffalo, got destroyed by the giants (understandable), and gave the game in washington away, yeah I think a different coach might have a different record.

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could counter with any one of a few different facts.

Nugent was still the kicker because Dominik didn’t bring in personnel. Maybe Biasaccia fought to keep Nugent. The head coach has input on personnel but doesn’t make final call

The call to go for the FG I can’t defend, nor will I try to.

Smith being in there and the playcall goes more to Olsen, although I’m not sure to what extent Raheem would have changed it.

Buffalo was the defense followed by a Leftwich pick.

The blame is spread. The head coach is the most visible but that doesn’t mean the other coaches should be insulated.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see

so the bucs would be 0-4 no matter who the coach is and all the people calling for holmgren and cowher are just idiots who are uneducated and dont read the articles

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I am just an uneducated fan who dosnt read the articles and voices opinions with no facts to back them up

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have no way of knowing what they would be with another head coach

but the facts that everyone brings up point to other people outside of Morris. Was it Morris’ fault Clifton fumbled? What about Nugent missing the field goals? All coaches can do is put players in position, the players have to execute. Morris can’t fire Nugent, Dominik has to. Morris can’t higher Haynesworth, Dominik and the Glazer’s do.

I’m not saying Morris doesnt deserve some blame, but everyone just piles on him without really thinking it through.

It’s like saying Dungy’s teams were great. They were, but McKay had a hand in brining in the talent too.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some of that

i agree with but as for the firing of nugent that morriss cant do anything, i’m not buying that, he should have been looking for a replacement much sooner, that guy nugent was garbage

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and yeah

he is to blame for the fumble because he puit butterfingers in there in the first place

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Olsen runs the offense, not Morris.

Also, Morris doesn’t hire/fire guys. Dominik is the one who is in charge of it. He is on the hook for Nugent.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

morriss tells dominak

get this kicker out of here a lot sooner sorry not buying into that

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know what a general manager does?

Morris has ZERO final say in who stays or goes, like every other head coach without personnel control.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No bucwild

I dont know waht a general manager does I am an uneduicated fan remember

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, if you want to debate with me, that's fine

but I have said ZERO about your education, intelligence knowledge base. So that holds no water with me.

I’m asking you because you seem to think Morris has final say in roster decisions which he doesn’t. He can voice his opinion to Dominik and the Glazer’s all he wants, but they make the call, not him.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

you didnt somebody else said I need to “educate” myself but you are also taking a shot at me when you ask me if I know what a general manager does, or in this case does not do. Also i have made it perfectly clear that the whole organization is to blame. And that dosnt change the fact that morriss was a bad hire and is a bad coach

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't take a shot at you

I was asking a question based on your comment that


 agree with but as for the firing of nugent that morriss cant do anything, i’m not buying that,

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Are you serious? Quit feeling sorry for yourself and talk football. Nobody knows you, or your football knowledge and education level. Get over it, chick.

by Nicky Lip on Oct 9, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not his team to make the final decision

But if he was respected as a coach and he said he wants player A to stay or go and put his foot down he would get his player. If the OC wants to run a certain play, Morris can change it.

So yes I understand where your coming from, but you are only justifying that Morris is a bad coach by saying he doesnt have enough pull to make key decisions in personel.

by Hook85 on Oct 9, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morris doesnt decide how much control he gets

The Glazers decide that. They have put Dominik in charge of personnel. Morris can voice his opinion but he probably gets 25% say in things. So him stomping his feet doesnt do a thing.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 9, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He might be the one on the hook..

But Morris runs the team, he can override anyones decision. Unless it Al Davis.

by Hook85 on Oct 9, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he can't.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Oct 9, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No "HE CANT"(MORRIS)

He has a say, and if he was respected they would listen.

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can't override anyone's decisions

Dominik is Morris’ boss. Dominik reports to the Glazers. The head coach is the top COACH, not top member of the team. You are completely wrong on this.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 9, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wrong in stating anyone

He cant over ride anyone, a respected coach voice would be heard. Also on the field determining what happens during the game is what i was referring to, as in over riding anyone. such as the OC.

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Head Coach doesnt make the final call?

He sure as hell should be! I gurantee that any Vetran head coach in this league makes the final decision, if he disagrees. Even the owners should be letting him make the call.

by Hook85 on Oct 9, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you understand front office hierarchy?

Thats why Bill Parcells and other coaches wont come back unless they have COMPLETE personnel control. Otherwise, they are just like Morris, head coach only. Most teams have a general manager. Tony Dungy had one (McKay), Turner has one (AJ Smith) etc.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 9, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the chain of command

in one instance i was talking about during a game and what happens on the field, the instance with the owners and FA’s and trades and what not i know hes not in charge of that, but if he said he wanted Matt Bryant and put his foot down, and was respected as a coach they would listen.

Also what your stating is he is just a puppet, and has no say in management.

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at first i misread what you wrote

 I thought you were refering to plays being made on the field and who was in during the game.

Morris has ZERO final say in who stays or goes, like every other head coach without personnel control.

I thought u meant stays or goes in the game.

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your key word there is VETERAN!

Morris is not a veteran coach, and therefore would not carry that much respect. If it were Parcells, ect, maybe. Even Gruden didnt always get his way, even with his so called puppet Allen. I say this in jest, because most people realize it may have been that way once, but in the end, Allen was NOT Grudens puppet. Thing Gruden wanted to keep Chris Simms on the roster in 07? as the 4th QB?

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 10, 2009 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I can honestly say if Gruden was still here, they had a better chance at winning atleast one of those games.

STATS- Look at grudens resume, look at Morris resume.

How long will you wait to not blame it on Morris? He has shown NO progess, there is not one improvement where you could say “it looks like hes just needs a few more players before his coaching will work”.

by Hook85 on Oct 9, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to make a masterpiece painting

out of a plate of poop and a brush. Gruden, Allen, and the Glazers have left this team with s*it in the cupboard. Bad personnel decisions, tight purse strings, horrible draft picks, and poor development of young players have left this team’s roster in shambles and the coaches scrambling to do their best with it. This is not a good football team, talentwise, right now. It’s going to take some time to right this ship. Give it time.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Oct 9, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes they are bad

But the players are not that bad. 0-4, sure many teams have started that bad. But what is Morris bringing to the table? Not only are the players bad, but they are not playing well with the good players they have.
Also I dont think we should point ALL THE BLAME on him, and I also think we should let him finish the season and see how he does.
But if they continue the entire season like the 1st 4 games, do you still want to wait for next season?

by Hook85 on Oct 10, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ITS BEEN 4 GAMES!!!!

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 10, 2009 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I agree with you, the playing on the field speaks for itself. I dont think he should be fired now, but if he continues at this rate without showing any kind of chance of maybe winning next season then there should be no other option but fire him.

Also it seems you need to lighten up, the guy was simply stating he needs to see facts before he will take your side. He didnt insult you.

by Hook85 on Oct 9, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And look at denver

Mcdaniels came in tore that team up their defense was what last place last year, they beat dallas we couldnt they turned it around we cant I’m just saying………

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

a run first system where the hell is it. And what is up with the quarterback change why bring johnson in at all if you are switching to freeman before the season is up this team has no system, has no direction has no identity

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You were talking about the defense in Denver, so I'm not sure what the running game has to do with that.

I agree on no identity, but I was making a point about the defenses.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And another thing

people , fans, come here to vent their frustrations and are constantly scolded about grammar and spelling and looked down upon cause they dont back up arguments with stats or links

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When was the last time anyone said anything about grammar

This isn’t an livejournal site to pour out your hearts and dreams. It’s a Bucs blog to discuss and converse regarding the Bucs.

No one scolded you, he asked for the reasoning behind your statement. He did not ask for a stat.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not always talking

about myself I’m sticking up for other fans i seen belittled on here not me

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you have an issue with another community member, let Niko know

I haven;t seen a “staff” member scold you or anyone lately other than to ask for some basis to your arguments. It’s alot easier to discuss issues when we know where someone is coming from.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not pointing fingers

I’m just saying there is a lot of snobery (is that even a real word ) going on here

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the correct spelling

is “snobbery”

Geez man, get it right would ya. :-)

by LeeCaz on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew it was wrong

I just didnt feel like changing it I was too caught up in the moment

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just ribbing ya man

I’m not one of those that really care too much about the spelling, grammar etc. As long as it is readable I couldn’t care less if a word is misspelled or a comma is left out here and there.

This isn’t English class after all. I think every now and then there are pretty gross violations of the English language and those people simply need to read over their post before submitting it.

by LeeCaz on Oct 8, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely there is.

Good on Buc Wild for wanting the site to be held to a higher standard than most of the polluted sites out there.

Generally speaking, the people who have the biggest issue with grammar and that silly notion of having factual arguments are the ones you don’t want around anyways.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha-Ha

thats exactly what I’m talking about I want to hear what everybody has to say even if they have trouble expressing it.

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to who?

I dont have a problem with this post? It didnt show any factualy arguemnts but it’s getting a lot of attention. Wouldnt you rather the people you COMPLETELY disagree with come onto your site so you can possibly persuade them? Also saying someone with bad grammar doesnt make good points is silly and I still dont understand why you get so annoyed with people who use bad grammar, are you a english teacher or somthing?

Sure if one person continues to say this person sucks, and Im sick of this guy and so on and so on then yea hes either trolling or needs to just be ignored.

by Hook85 on Oct 9, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two rookie head coaches

one turns his team around one runs his into the ground, are the broncos really that much better (kyle orton) or does one know how how to win with the plaers he has

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One team also played the Browns and Raiders

But yeah, the Broncos are the better team, When you have one the best safties(Dawkins), defensive ends(Dumervil), corners (Bailey) and tackling linebackers (DJ Wiliams) in the league, you’re gonna win some games. 7,6,3,and 10 points is what they’ve given up so far.

by Mr.Hankey on Oct 8, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are people actually offended by the idea of needing factual support?

“It’s my opinion” isn’t a free pass to spew retarded crap.

I can say “Mike Vick is a better quarterback than Tom Brady.” Nobody agrees with that, but if I say “in my opinion” I’m still going to be told how much of a moron I am, right? There’s a place for opinion, but it’s not an invite to say anything you want and get away with it by not using some facts.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 8, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey

just a suggestion dont try to jump in at the end and play cleanup, go back to the beginning and re-read the whole thing, what I took offense to was being told I needed to read more articles and “educate myself” I dont say things I cant back up!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's silly

to want people to want to back up everything they say with facts. This is not a newspaper. You are allowed to have opinions, whether they be “retarded” or not. If you want to prove something a stat line can go a long way, but some people can’t see the forest for the trees and they are not going to change.

The same person that thinks Mike Vick is better than Tom Brady is not going to be swayed by a plethora of stats, figures, and graphs. They are going to believe what they want to believe. The stats out there are available to anybody that wants to look them up. Obviously you are a stats guy. That is what determines your opinion. Just realize that there are other people out there that are different.

Sometimes people just feel a certain way and screw the numbers. I think that is an aspect of blogging that many of you guys fail to understand. Not everyone cares about numbers, some people just like to watch the games and form an opinion based solely on what they see on the field.

I’m kind of a half and half guy myself. I like stats to a certain degree, but I think many people read too much into them. It’s hard to find factual reports for some things people say. Why should they have to scour the internet in search of support for their statement because they said something silly in a Buc’s blog? You guys take yourselves way too seriously sometimes….. In my opinion :-)

by LeeCaz on Oct 8, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"some people just like to watch the games and form an opinion based solely on what they see on the field."

I do the same.

Here’s the difference:
1. I then refer to the numbers to make sure what I’m seeing is correct.
2. I’m well aware of my ignorance on certain aspects of the game.

Most people are far too quick to tell you what they do know and will never admit to what they don’t know.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 9, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So that justifies your being here

because you reference your opinion with stats that you choose to find.

by Hook85 on Oct 9, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What some people seem to want

is the ’"super fan" vs. the average fan or maybe the smarter fan vs. the stupid fan. And what it really boils down to is the only people “who dont belong here” are the non-bucfans (unless they show respect) every other fan should feel free to contribute without being “judged” by everybody else

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BucFanLostInIowa,

Can you make your name shorter?? man that is tough typing out!!!! JK of course.

I Think this is an excellent chance for me to butt in and express how I want this site to run.

1) This site is useless if you, the reader, are not allowed/free/feel comfortable to create a fanpost and speak your mind and/or tell us how you feel about an issue.
2) Its equally as useless if people cannot feel free/ comfortable to post WHATEVER comments they want to based on THEIR opinion.

Seems to me, UNFNOLE’s opinion, is that your opinion on Morris is based on not knowing that many points of view, and that you should read articles on here because we come at the situation from different angles. He did not call you a name, nor did he say it rudely with slurs or vulgar words. If you want the freedom to post anything you want to, you need to be prepared for the guy who is going to totally disagree with you 100%, and may even on occasion call you out to explain your opinion with more detail…

On this site, you are free to have ANY opinion in the world you want to…as long as you can BACK IT UP with an explanation. A STAT is not required. However, like the above relates to, Tom Brady is better than Terry Bradshaw is an opinion. Terry Bradshaw has more Superbowl titles that Tom Brady is a fact. The latter can support the prior, by using superbowl wins as one possible criteria for “better than”, but in that case someone has backed up what they said, with an explanation/fact, not necessarily a stat.

So far, Id like to say that for 60+ comments, all of which are aimed at each other, this has been kept quite civil, and every single person in this thread deserves a freaking medal for not letting this get out of control.

BFLII-(thats bucfanlostiniowa shortened LOL!)- you may be correct that there may have been, at times, an aura of ‘better than you-ness’ that you describe. In much as I just used a word that does not belong in one single version of Websters, I can promise that wont happen on here anymore as long as I can help it.

Thanks to everyone for posting and keeping it , well, sort of civil!!!

JJ vs Skins prediction- 17/29 243 1 TD 1 INT 9 Carries 72 yards 1 TD

by Niko Houllis on Oct 8, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Niko for President..haha

Now can you stop the conflict between N. Korea and S. Korea!

by Hook85 on Oct 9, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES! Nuke them Both, then put Jon Gruden in charge of S. Korea, and Rich McKay in the North!!!

oh wait.. WWIII will surely come out of that! Never mind on the world peace thing!

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 10, 2009 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In other words...

I may not agree with what you have to say, I but I will defend to the death your right to say it…

Voltaire

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 8, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it is a long name

sorry about that, but anyway stuck up here in iowa I dont get to see many games on tv ,( I cant afford direct ticket on direct tv nor would i support it even if I could Its an illegal monopoly that only one sat. provider can show nfl games as far as i am concerned but that is another story) so all i can do is READ about the games i guess that is something that ticked me off a little bit too much maybe. I did see the new redzone channel on dish network but it is 5.99 and the bucs rarely make it the redzone lately so i cant see paying that either, so i am left with nfl.com, the web and fan blogs and basic cable coverage yeah that is why i am lost in iowa.

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why dont you check out the feeds on the net?

People over in the UK watch the game, and several people on this site watch the game via feeds. They are not constant, but people update them.

If you havnt joined the message boards at Bucpower.com, go check them out, and look out for the feeds. Ive seen several times in our thread people will post the new ones when an old one has gone down.

I did not realize RedZone was 6 dollars, thats not bad, I may try that on game day.

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 8, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah its 5.99

on dish network but that is if you have a certain channel package so i think you have to upgrade if you just have their basic package i am not sure though

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is last weeks BP.com thread...

http://bucsukffl.co.uk/bucpowerforum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=296

youll see by the time the Bucs scored, someone posted a link already.
Check it out, or google search to see if you can find a site that posts it.

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 8, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

about redzone again

they had a free preview last week for the early games then they cut it off for the late games i dont think a lot of people are buying it i think they are having another freebie this weekend. not sure about that

by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 8, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS POST IS BEING CLOSED TO COMMENTS BECAUSE....

I actually really like this post and how it has gone, but Im afraid the fact that some people are coming in 3 days later and responding to situations that have already been resolved, that its going to re-arm this powder-keg!

Unfortunately, I do that myself sometimes, I find a good post, but a few days too late, and then I put my .02 cents in!
So im going to close comments for this post, as everything we are talking about in here can easily lead out into another post somewhere…..

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by Niko Houllis on Oct 10, 2009 6:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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