Patience, and draft picks, is all that will build us a winner.
The 'Fire Morris' campaign has started already, a mere half season into his rookie campaign. Coaches don't even get full seasons anymore, much less 3 or 5 year plans. Yet that is the only way a truely dominant team like the Colts, Patriots, and Steelers can be built; not overnight, not with free agents, but with smart, good drafting.
We know Bruce Allen was not one with a keen eye on talent. Yes he gets his information from scouts, but the final choice is his. Rich McKay had a better eye, but couldn't manage the cap like Allen could. Mark Dominik was around under both of them, and only time will tell if he has the knack for picking the winners, but so far last years picks are not doing too bad. Again, it takes years to evaluate a draft.
I have pointed out examples of other teams and how we are judging Morris & Dominik to harshly, So now Im going to try to hit home by, well, hitting home! Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Unlike previous regimes, this one has the benefit of successful past to look back on and emulate. The Bucs started to put some talent on the field as early as 1993 when Hardy Nickerson was brought in via free agency and made an immediate impact. It wasnt translated so much into wins, but in an attitude on the defense, and an accountability on the field. But the Bucs sucess of the late 90s leading up to the SuperBowl was started with the drafting in 1995 and 1996. For the most part, these two drafts formed the nucleus of the Bucs defense for a record run. So when you look at the 2009 Bucs, and you see the lack of talent, and you wonder where it is going to come from, do not start looking at potential free agents and 30+ million in cap space. Look instead at the draft picks the Bucs are piling up, which is the right way to do it.
Lets look at how a Superbowl team was built. We will concentrate on defense, as we know, that was the heart and soul of Raymond James tenants. But even on offense, Mike Alsott was a 2nd round draft pick out of Purdue.
DEFENSIVE LINE
The heartbeat of the Tampa Two was the defensive line. In the middle 3 men held down the two spots for the entire duration of our time frame, which will be from the turn-around (1996) to the SuperBowl (2002). Warren Sapp was without a doubt the furnace for this steam engine. He was drafted in the 1st round of 1995 out of Miami. Brad Culpepper was his first nose tackle, he was brought in as a free agent in 1994 from Minnesota. When 'Pep was released after 1999, Anthony Booger McFarland took his spot; who was a 1st round pick out of LSU in 99 draft. SO Booger was put into the starting rotation in his second year.
On the ends, we have a few different guys, men like Chidi Ahanato who was a 6th round pick in 1993, who gave way to Greg Spires who was a Free Agent out of Cleveland. On the other side, Regan Upshaw was another 1st round pick; 1996 when the Bucs had two choices in the first round. The other was Marcus Jones who also started on the defensive line. Totaled up, thats 7 men, 5 of which were drafted; almost all in the 1st round- high quality picks.
LINEBACKERS
As we said, Hardy Nickerson was the first impact player for the Bucs term in this debate, and he was a free agent out of Pittsburgh. To make things easier, we will just move over to the other side where Derrick Brooks joined him; 1st round draft pick in 1995.
The third guy has changed alot during the years, we can start with Lonnie Marts who was brought in as a free agent. Then we have Jeff Gooch who was also a free agent; the method that dominates the income of this position. Shelton Quarles was a free agent from the Canadian Football League, and finally Alshermond Singleton was a 4th round draft pick.
After Hardy left at the end of the 1999 season, Jamie Duncan took over his spot who was a 3rd round draft pick out of Vandy. Nate Webster was also a 3rd round pick in 2000, and then Shelton Quarles took over and we've said he was a CFL Free Agent. Totaled up, that's 8 players and half were drafted while the other half were Free Agents. Of the Best, Nickerson and Quarles were FAs, and Brooks was drafted.
SECONDARY
On the Corners, Donnie Abraham was an instant success coming in from the 3rd round in 1996. He was eventually replaced by Brian Kelly who was a 2nd round draft pick in 1998. On the other side, Lets just go with Ronde Barber who took over in 1998 from Anthony Parker who was a free agent. That 2nd round pick is STILL on the field.
Safety John Lynch didnt really start until 1996 on a regular basis, and he was a 3rd round draft pick. The other safety posistion has changed members during this period; Charles Mincy was a free agent in 1996, Damien Robinson was brought in 1997. Dexter Jackson was drafted in the 4th round and became the Superbowl MVP! So for the secondary we have 8 players, 5 of which were drafted. The main ones, Kelly, Barber, Lynch were all drafted.
So when to total it all up, that is 14 guys drafted, 9 guys brought in as free agents out of the main stars of the Monte Kiffin period of the Tampa Two which ends with the Superbowl victory. Two of the main stars were drafted in the 1st round, where you would expect to find them, but look how many are 3rd or 4th round picks. Even 2nds, which we have two of next year, are very important.
Fast forward to 2009, and you can see which of the 11 guys who start today are going to still be here in 2011, and which ones will lose their jobs to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks over the next few years. Then Mr. Dominik and Mr. Morris can pick their free agents we are hammering for them to get, when they know what need we have for them.
If this blueprint looks familiar, it is. Its our own from the 1990s, and it looks pretty similar to that of the Colts, Steelers, Chargers, and Patriots. Lets hope our guys have time to finish building this house.
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It's every team's blue print...
The Dominik may not be bad, but Morris os no Dungy, Tomlin, Cowher, Belichick, or even Sean Payton. I haven’t seen that this year… I’m not a believer, I’m not leaving as a fan, but I think the next 1 1/2 years will be a waste… I will continue to follow this ship throughout it’s mutiny, as I have pre-Rich McKay.
I hope they do get a new coach after 3-5 years of fail, because that would just make the decision easier to evaluate. Maybe he can be decent, but not with our coordinators.
If you remember Dungy went through many coordinators on the offensive side, as our offense was mostly there to rest our valuable defense. It was ball control, but we had bad red zone offense… I think our offensive talent now is more stacked to play run/ball control now, but the playcalling sucks!
Our defense however is best suited to run cover 2 and we are not. I understand it’s not the philosophy of Bates (or ultimately Rah’s), but as we learned under Gruden (unfortunately, and Offensively) you run the scheme that best supports your talent level.
Kiffin knew this, that’s why every year he evaluated our ability to rush the passer, and if it looked weaker, he dialed up the perimeter pressure and disguised it well.
We are killing ourselves with Olson and Bates which falls on Raheem!
"Put it on Film" (not on the glass)
by chiefs_55 on Oct 29, 2009 10:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Kiffin would of blitzed Rhonde regardless because he was good at it
and 3-5 years of fail is a bit harsh
by NewLogic on Oct 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
you run the scheme that best supports your talent level.
More accurately: your talent type.
You see this all across the NFL. Coaches and coordinators unwilling to adapt to what they have. Bates may be a great defensive mind with a plan that will work eventually, but it doesn’t work right now with the players we have. The inability or unwillingness to adjust a scheme is a trait that I don’t want in a coordinator. The NFL is all about evolving and adjusting from play to play, quarter to quarter, week to week, and year to year. If he is too stubborn to do so, it doesn’t bode well.
A caveat: he may just be evaluating the players we have now in HIS system. It may be the best way to tell who he will retain.
by kurby on Oct 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Building blocks
All the coaches that were mentioned in the article took over teams that were for the most part good already, plenty of building blocks to go with. Tomlin took over a team that had just won the Super Bowl, Belichick had just took over a team left by Parcells. Dungy took over for Wyche, who has a great eye for talent and doesn’t get enough credit, but Dungy added to that and did great obviously. Gruden’s focus was winning now and not worrying about the future, and it’s hurting us now.
Raheem though, IMO, got rid of any building blocks when he came in. He’s starting from scratch which I think was a bad move. Too me, Derrick Brooks would have been Hardy Nickerson on this team. Yes, I know he wasn’t what he used to be, he’s slower, more fragile, blah, blah, blah. BUT, he’s still better than what we have now, and that leadership and knowledge he possesses is gone and very sorely missed. Brooks, June, and Hilliard were worth holding on to, the other guys, I have no problem with their release. I’ve said this on another thread, but I think they should have resigned Garcia as well.
My point is that they should have built from what they had and not start over from scratch. Starting over like this will cost them wins, which turns into lost profits, and then their jobs. I’m OK with rebuilding, but I just think they went about it the wrong way.
by bucnut1 on Oct 29, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Morris got rid of building blocks?
WHO?
Brooks? a Nickerson?
We got Hardy in his Prime. Derrick Brooks is 2 years past being out of his prime.
Not even a close comparison. Players were tuning Brooks out last year because of his play towards the end, gimping off the field like that.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 29, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't follow what I was saying
I was saying keep him for his leadership. And he was hurt at the end of the season and should have been sat down, but that didn’t happen.
by bucnut1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia still wants to start
He would of had a huge problem losing his job to either of the young guys
by NewLogic on Oct 29, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he would have lost the job.
by bucnut1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hang on
Im still working on the offensive preview of the draft.
T-Jack is back, J.J has went back to sucking, Bates won't blitz, Raheem's bored.
by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 29, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Key positions with key players
Richard Seymour (DE Oak) would be a great addition to the front four this offseason. With Wilkerson on the Left Side would make a great combo attack. Moore and White coming off the bench for valuable depth. Roy Miller should slide into a starting spot next season and we need to use our top 2nd Round to add another up and coming DT.
Clint Ingram (OLB Jax) would compliment Ruud (if resigned) and Hayes. Black and a 3rd or 4th rounder for depth in the Linebacker group.
I’m all for Ronde to move to the nickle but we need to find a FA Corner to fill in at the #2 Corner spot. Draft 3rd or 4th Round for depth. Talib has proven a valuable #1.
T-Jack is a difference maker in the secondary. Sabby shows signs but if Darren Sharper (FS NO) is still available in the FA, you can’t pass on the opprotunity.
With the Top 1 or 2 pick in the draft, Russell Okung (OT Oklahoma St). I know its not flashy but having a Stud LT in this league makes or breaks an NFL Offense. Move Penn to RT.
Wide Receiver is a critical postion to fill for Josh Freeman. Either we draft a receiver with our 2nd pick in the 2nd round or try to make a trade for Anquan Boldin.
The right moves with the right players is the name of the game. These are just my suggestions.
by buccanator on Oct 30, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scared to ask,
but who’s coming out of K-State?
by bucnut1 on Oct 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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