Who were you talking to Raheem?
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 1:36 PM EDT
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If anyone was watching the game yesterday than you obviously saw head coach Raheem Morris talking on the phone to someone while on the sidelines. He then held up five fingers and said "five", as in put in #5 rookie Josh Freeman. My question is this; who was he talking to?
Was it Dominik? The Glazer brothers? His mom? I find it a little disconcerting that Morris is such a puppet of the front office. If he doesn't have the ultimate decision as to who is in the game at what time, then we really should just fire him after this season and find someone that knows what they are doing. If Morris was not ready for Freeman to start then who is really putting the pressure on in this situation.
To be honest, it didn't look like Freeman was ready. He took a delay of game penalty, took two sacks, and fumbled in a very short amount of time. I'm not saying he isn't the future, but maybe he is just really not ready.
Are the Glazers turning into a dual version of Daniel Snyder? Actually they would have to spend money in free agency to take that title. What is going on over there? Do they not have the confidence in Raheem and Dominik's plan? I thought we would see Freeman in Week 9 vs. Green Bay but I never imagined that he would be thrust into a blowout game for a few garbage snaps.
What did it accomplish? Nothing! I really hope that this move isn't about ticket sales, but I fear it is. The front office knows that the fans have seen enough of Johnson to know that he isn't the future, and he certainly isn't helping us win now. They have already benched Leftwich, so the only way to keep the fan base excited and buying tickets is to throw the rookie to the wolves. The fans will show up in droves, for awhile. They better hope that he shows promise though, because they don't have any more tricks up their sleeves after this one.
I suppose we could fire our offensive coordinator and promote the QB coach. Oh, too late, already used that one too.
This also pretty much condemns us to an 0 -16 season. Say what you will about Johnson or Leftwich, but either of them is much more likely to lead us to win than Freeman. We were already underdogs in every game for the rest of the year and this move will pretty much cement it.
I have mixed feelings on this one. On one hand I'm frustrated that this offense hasn't had the opportunity to have any consistency whatsoever behind center. On the other hand I'm happy because if Freeman really is the future then he might as well get in there and take his lumps now. That way he can get acclimated to the speed of the NFL game and hopefully get all of the rookie mistakes out of his system this year.
I am getting off tangent though. The reason for this post is to ask who is really making the decisions at One Buc Place? Who has the power to pull a QB mid-game in the NFL, and why doesn't Raheem take charge? It was like a baseball player getting called up from the bullpen.
This team is beyond dysfunctional at this point. It's actually a miracle that everyone has kept so quiet about it thus far. We haven't seen a lot of finger pointing and similar behavior that typically arises from situations such as this.
So what do you guys think? Is Morris just a puppet on a string as many of us suspected all along? Was he just a cheap hire until we can dump Gruden's salary?
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Do you fault Raheem Morris if he has no control?
That’s not his call. If someone said, do you want the head coaching job, we’ll pay you a million bucks, let you stand on the sideline and call the shots, do you think he (or anyone) would say no?
I don’t fault him if he has no control, I fault ownership because they are setting him up to fail (see Zorn, Jim)
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by Buc Wild on Oct 26, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't fault the guy for taking the job
but you can fault him for not standing up for himself. It’s pretty obvious that he isn’t the decision maker. Sure, we’ve gone back and forth about Raheem’s lack of control regarding personnel decisions, but for the front office to taking away his on field coaching decisions is inexcusable.
He is obviously in over his head. I agree that he took his dream job, and who wouldn’t take that opportunity?
It’s obvious (to me at least) that he is just a young handsome face to spin quotes to the public and doesn’t really have any power at all. We need a “coach” in there who is going to take charge of this franchise and force it in the right direction. We don’t need somebody who is essentially just the owner’s B**** (female dog)
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They didn't take away his on the field coaching decisions (at least not that anyone has proven)
but I don’t see the discussion about Freeman being a big deal. This is (allegedly) the franchise guy. This wasn’t a “pull the starter so we can win the game” exercise. It was an introduction to live games. If Freeman is or is supposed to be the franchise guy, everyone has to be on board.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 26, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time
you saw an NFL head coach getting told what to do while he was on the sideline of a game?
I’m sure I’ve never seen it, but I’m sure if it has happened then it usually isn’t caught on video.
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time this situation was around?
I’m sure most of these conversation take place before the game. Apparently this one didn’t. You think that Mangini, Singletary and other guys don’t have conversations about how and when to bring along the rookie franchise backup? It happens all the time. Why do you think players get benched?
Morris just happened to be caught doing it during a game. It doesnt bother me at all really. Morris cant force Dominik and the Glazers to give him control. If they say all decisions have to run through him, what is he supposed to do, quit? Throw a tantrum? Im sure the firing of Jags was discussed with the higher ups before he made a call, same with the hiring of Bates. We dont know what goes on behind closed doors.
Its not like Dominik came down from the press box, walked on the field called a timeout and told Raheem, on mic, that he cant run that play.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 26, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if it doesn't bother you at all
then that is your prerogitive.
Personally I have a huge problem with it. What is his job? He doesn’t make in game personnel decisions. He doesn’t decide who comes and who goes in free agency. He doesn’t call the offensive plays. He doesn’t call the defensive plays. Are you telling me that you don’t have a problem with a head coach who is pretty much just a guy to slap his players on the butt and call timeout every now and then (not to mention that he could use some improvement at clock management).
He doesn’t seem to be much of a motivator (at least he hasn’t motivated this team to a win yet). He actually might be bad at motivation, as I’m sure many of us would agree that the team has come out flat after half time in most of the games. What does he do?
He talks to the press and says the things that Dominik tells him to say. He is a puppet in all sense of the word. He hasn’t brought anything to this team that makes it his team. He doesn’t have any kind of stamp on this football team at all.
It’s fine if you like him and want to take up for him, but riddle me this; what has Morris done for this team that hasn’t backfired and made him look like a rank amateur? What has he done that view in a positive light? What does he bring to the table (aside from youthful exuberance) to make us a better team?
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What other head coaches dont call plays (off or def)?
He can voice his input at any time, whether or not other coaches take it is another thing.
As close as I can tell, here is a list of current head coaches who have an OC and DC and GM, meaning they do not call plays on either side nor do they make personnel decisions.
Dick Jauron, Tony Sparano, Rex Ryan, John Harbaugh, Eric Mangini, Mike Tomlin, Gary Kubiak, Jim Caldwell, Jack Del Rio, Jeff Fisher, Josh McDaniels, Norv Turner, Tom Coughlin, Andy Reid, Jim Zorn, Lovie Smith (though I think he took over defensive playcalling), Jim Schwartz, Brad Childress, Mike Smith, Sean Payton, Stevie Spags, Jim Mora.
Now, out of those coaches, the ones who do not call plays (to the best of my knowledge) are Jauron, Ryan, Zorn, Coughlin, and Morris. All of the above coaches (in both lists) have a playsheet that they use, and they all wear headsets. They all have communication during the game.
A quote from an NFL.com article in which it cites 4 coaches who call plays on the defensive side.
Last season, 10 head coaches served as de facto offensive coordinators, and that number will continue to grow with new head coaches such as Josh McDaniels and Tom Cable poised to call plays for their teams in 2009.
So 4 who call defensive plays, 10 who call offensive plays, that leaves 18 teams where coaches did neither.
Another article from ESPN.com on the subject.
By unofficial count, about eight head coaches call their team’s offensive plays. In addition to Phillips, Ryan and Smith, it’s believed that Jack Del Rio of Jacksonville, a former standout linebacker in the league and a previous defensive coordinator, now calls at least some of the Jaguars’ defensive schemes.
Given the current trend, and with the league skewing very slightly toward defense (eight of the past 15 head coaches hired had defensive backgrounds), the number of head coaches who call their own defensive sets is increasing.
I think if we are generous, we could say 50-70% of the coaches call plays on one side explicilty. The other coaches I would say do call plays and have input on plays (the ability to over rule is there also) but they don’t exclusively do the playcalling as there are other things to attend to.
He does make in game personnel decisions, but the one that required started a rookie who hadn’t seen the field ahd to go up the ladder. What if the plan was to sit him until GB but since we were down Rah thought it would be a good idea to get him in this week? He made the call and wanted to make sure Dominik was on board. He mightve called Dominik to make sure that he (Dom) didn’t sell him out later if Freeman got hurt or sucked. That way Dominik couldn’t say “I dont know why Rah played him, we had agreed to wait”
I don’t know about bad motivator, but they team (and Morris) sure don’t make halftime adjustments. No arguments here.
What stamp do most coaches bring in year 1? What is Stevie Spags stamp? How about Tomlins? (he ran the existing O and D when he took over). What is Mora’s stamp in Seattle? These identities take time to develop. Bill Walsh was a genius, I don’t think it happened in one year. Same with Bellicheck who has failed, the Tuna etc. Identities take time to develop. Seven games, with a rag tag bunch of players.
With the same personnel (a Dominik call) I don’t think Jesus himself would have more than a win or two with this team.
All but 5 teams have a GM, meaning the head coach doesn’t decide who stays or goes in free agency (though the HC’s including Morris have input). He makes in game personnel decisions (i.e. Ward for Caddy, Stevens in and out, Miller in and out etc),
All these things that everyone lists are pretty damn common for head coaches. You are more of a CEO on the field who surveys and adapts than gets bogged down in the details.
Unless someone shows me how Morris and Zorn are the only two guys not calling any plays, I will continue to not see it as a big deal. The quotes I pulled from above give me a pretty clear indication that Morris isn’t the only guy.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are all great points
and it was a very well thought out response, but the fact of the matter is that Morris has failed at every aspect of head coaching up to this point.
My take is that they pretty much hired the anti-Gruden.
He does get along with the players, he isn’t intense, and he doesn’t call the plays.
I agree with you that a lot of the failure lies with Dominik, but Raheem is entirely dispensable. He hasn’t done anything to make us believe that things will get better. What exactly are you saying? That you think Morris is the man? If you don’t agree with me that he is not a fit head coach then that’s fine and dandy, but please give me something so that I can see things from your perspective. What makes him so awesome in your book?
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I ever say he was awesome?
In fact, in my other fanpost today I stated that I still wasn’t sold on Raheem. I haven’t seen anything that makes me think he will be a huge hit or a huge bust. I’ve seen a sorry bunch of players fail on his watch, much as they would on anyone’s watch. I think the team and organization failure to this point goes from top to bottom, including, but not exclusive to Morris.
I am not sold that Morris is the real deal. But I also think its a bit early to say he’s the worst thing since Romeo Crennel.
I can’t say Morris has failed at every aspect because truth be told, the players are still competing at 0-7. Has he failed in some of his calls? Absolutely, Jags, punt vs kick, kick vs go for it, and I will absolutely rake him over the coals for that, as I have already done. But I don’t think he has completely failed, yet.
My point of view has been this. To pin this 0-7 solely on Morris is foolish and wrong. He definitely has had a hand in it though. It’s still too early to tell what we have. If every coach was judged on his first 7 games or first year, not many coaches would be left around because teams that make changes usually are the teams that suck. You don’t see many teams go 14-2 and then switch coaches.
Im not selling anyone on Morris. I am saying that people in general have an incorrect definition of a head coach.
If you want to blast the Bucs for signing Clayton, talk to Dominik
If you want to blast the Bucs for cutting Brooks & Dunn, talk to Dominik (and probably the Glazers)
If you want to blast the Bucs for dropping passes or fumbling or missing tackles, talk to the players
If you want to blast the Bucs for punting instead of going for it, talk to Morris
To save myself the hassle of continuing to type that same sentence, the blame is spread amongst all players. To think that a head coach hires/fires players, develops the game plan, scouts, calls the offensive plays, calls the defensive plays, motivates, challenges plays, and sells tickets is stupid. It is beyond false. Most coaches do a portion of that. That’s why they hire OC/DC, GM, QC coachs, position coaches, etc. The head coach does not handle all this, he oversees it and steps in as needed.
My big beef (heh) is that everyone assumes this is all Morris. I guess that has been construed that I am in love with Morris and want to father his love child. Incorrect. I am merely defending the position that it is not ALL Morris’ fault, nor does he (or most other head coaches) have the responsibilities people assume/expect.
You and I agree on more than you think. You aren’t sold on Morris, neither am I. You probably want him out (a guess), I don’t………..yet. That day may come. I have never said he is awesome, he is the answer, the future, or the guy here. I acknowledge him as head coach right now and am still waiting to see. I am doing my best to give him and the team enough time to fairly judge their performances.
It’s a sample size issue. Would you call Peyton Manning a bust after his 3-13 first year? How about Kurt Warner after failing to get drafted? These things work themselves out and it becomes easier to call a spade a spade once we have enough data. 7 games is not enough for me to yell bust.
It is, however, enough for me to say the team is failing and Morris isn’t doing alot to help it. Same with Dominik, the Glazers, Bates and Olson. Raheem may prove to be an awful coach, but I want to call him out on what I know, not what I guess. Everyone who is calling for his head saying he is the worst ever, they may be right, but it’s just a reaction. The data isn’t there yet.
After all, if we went off small samples, Reggie Bush could be the best back ever, Alex Smith is worthy of #1 pick status (3 TD’s in one half this week), and Vince Young is the answer at QB. I may be the last one to say he (Morris) isn’t right for the job (actually, Niko will probably be the last), but I prefer to do it on what I see, what I know, and what I can quantify. Most the people calling for his head now don’t have a football pedigree (not that I do either) and were probably calling for Dungy’s head after 10-6 seasons with a playoff berth. It’s reactionary. I do my best not to do that.
Does that help with my point of view. I often think my arguments are misconstrued on here. My Clayton articles weren’t to say Clayton is the greatest, but just a complete look at him. My later articles on Morris, Adams, the D, Barber, Freeman, Leftwich aren’t to say he is the greatest, but to hopefully educate and provide some insight as opposed to just raw emotion and guesstimation.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me also add this
Sorry for the length of the comments and I also want to make it clear I am not teeing off on you (Lee Caz) nor any other user here. I have no ill will nor hatred for anyone here, so please stop the hate mail. Im honored that you all think so much to take the time to tell me how much of a D-bag I am.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 26, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Did I accidentally send my hate letter to you instead of Rush Limbaugh?
I think it’s fine that you disagree, you just come at people in standoffish way a lot of the time. If you agree with some of what I say, then you might try saying that initially instead of three posts into the discussion.
Most of the time you just start contending all of the points someone makes without saying why you are contending them in the first place. By offering the opposing perspective you are making us think that you believe those things, not playing devil’s advocate.
I’ve got no problem with you either. I think it’s just hard for you to concede a point. It is for me as well. I am going to think I am right and you are wrong the majority of the time in a disagreement. It’s just the way my ego and I get down.
As for needing more time, how long are you willing to put up with this. I know you gave the guy that brought up Denver hell last week, but he had a valid point. Denver has something like 8 new starters on defense. We went in with nothing new this year. The failure of the Morris/Dominik regime to evaluate talent and put it on the field is atrocious thus far. I don’t know why some people think that it is going to improve. They have shown nothing thus far that indicates that they know what they are doing.
This conversation has delineated quite a bit from the original fanpost. I simply believe that Morris is worthless. Any O.C. or D.C. in the NFL could come in and do a better job than him at this point IMO. If the front office has decided to step in and be more active in decision making on the field than we may as well just have Dominik on the sideline.
Also; I never said that all of this losing business rests solely on Morris’ shoulders, only that he has failed at things that are his responsibility thus far. I am aware of the head coaches responsiblities, I just listed all of those things to give people an idea of the things he doesn’t do that some head coaches do.
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I wasnt referring to you with the hate mail.
The reason I dont state my point of view or objective in every post is because I’ve typically covered that subject at some point and assume my POV is known (i.e. my stance on Morris is pretty well documented).
I want wins and I want them now. If I knew that the end result of a bad year this year was 8-8 next year and then 11-5 in two years, I’d absolutely go for 1-15 this year. But we don’t know that. I would love it if the losing stopped. For that to happen, everyone needs to shape up.
A conversation I had with a co worker today revolved around this point. If we had kept the Cover 2 system in place, do you think our defense would be better than it is now? Would it have led to a win? I argue yes and yes, though its all conjecture. So I don’t know if that means Morris/Dominik were poor evaluators of talent, or poor evaluators of what scheme and DC to bring in. Let’s face it, there aren’t many schemes that utilizes what we have worse than this.
A different DC, a different scheme might yield better results, but we won’t know. I hope I’m very wrong on Freeman (I don’t think he has it) but I’m willing to give him a chance, and if I’m wrong, I will publicly announce it and be very glad I’m wrong.
I also agree that it was foolish to hire a head coach with no coordinator (NFL) experience. But we’re here now. I don’t think it will happen again, at least not with the Bucs. Just like it takes a rookie a little time to get acclimated, I bet Morris is finding the same thing. He might just need to get his legs underneath him. Im not willing to wait 3-5 years for that, but I’m willing to give him at least one full year if not two.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 26, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that he deserves one year
but not two if we go winless. I know how you guys feel about it, but a team can’t go 0-16 in today’s NFL without head’s rolling, especially after we won 9 games last year. I know you guys will say that the cuts and moves needed to be made, but I think that some cuts and in our case, lack of moves, contributed to this debacle. Someone must be offered up as the sacrificial lamb.
People (most of them more qualified than Raheem) will be chomping at the bit for this job.
They may be willing to just get rid of Olsen and/or Bates, but it seems that Dominik deserves to be on the hot seat too. GM’s are usually given more time to hang themselves than coaches, I’m not sure why (Matt Millen is the perfect example).
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee I will agree with you on one thing...
If we go 0-16, and that is possible now that we are going to a rookie QB, then you cannot go into next year with the Dominik, Morris, Olsen, Bates intact.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 26, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if we win 1 game?
Does it really make that much of a difference?
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Oct 27, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it does.
Dozens of teams have gone 1 and whatever.
Only two have gone O for…..
2 total teams…Its that bad.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 27, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 win doesnt mean we are any closer to wherr we want to be.
typing from wi so cut me some slack. Darn Dexter
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 27, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is the Wi as an internet device?
Do you have the keyboard? I hope….
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 28, 2009 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. it would make this easier
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Oct 28, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find me a coach who could motivate a college football team to beat a pro one.
Motivating the team? he is doing fine. Look at the points the Bucs give up per qtr. There is no quitting on this team. There is no talent either.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 26, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
with the concept of rebuilding. I see the purpose in giving up this year and giving the head coach time.
BUT, i don’t see Raheem Morris (himself) a good coach. Maybe a D-coordinator, but as far as head coaching goes, it seems like he just took the opportunity and ran with it, just like anybody else would.
by rjblitz02 on Oct 26, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may be true...
But we need more time to find out. There is no way to tell with the incredible low talent level on the field, and now starting a rookie QB too.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 26, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great example would be Tenn.
The Owner is publically calling for Young to start. At least this was done privately.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 27, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, it's never been a head coach only decision
But we don’t (usually) see what goes on behind closed doors which leads people to the illusion that the head coach does it all.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time
I’ve seen the Cowyboys and Raiders play. They have shown on TV Jerry Jones hanging up the phone and saying, “we’re going long” and that’s exactly what they do. Ask Warren Sapp about the Raiders or look up his quotes about Al Davis calling down plays.
But that is the first time it’s ever been pointed out that the HEAD COACH got on the phone to send in a player.
by bucnut1 on Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are GUESSING he was told what to do.
He said he was making sure his partner was on board with it.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 26, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to this article...
http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=18831
it was Mark Dominik that Morris called to discuss the move with!
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by Tye on Oct 26, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha that is hilarious.
Especially the part about asking permission to kick a field goal.
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought so too....
That is why I put that link 1st. It gets a laugh if nothing else.
"In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to It." - Coach Paul 'Bear' Bryant
by Tye on Oct 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a link to the video....
http://buccaneers.com/multimedia/videoarchive.aspx?filename=20091025LondonPC.flv&Page=1&year=2009
He actually says he discusses every move with Dominik first. Kinda sounds like they don’t game plan and discuss things like this before the games. Not much authority or trust in his decision making!
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by Tye on Oct 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee Caz
I have to say this is one of the better posts i have seen in a week (excluding the writers) by a non-writer. This is the standard i look for, people who can explain themselves.
T-Jack is back, J.J has went back to sucking, Bates won't blitz, Raheem's bored.
by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 26, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you sir
I appreciate the compliment.
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did it accomplish?
It gives Josh Freeman SOME film to look over with coaching in preparation for next week.
Every mistake he makes from now on is a mistake to learn from.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 26, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Niko
your relentless optimism is indeed something that I envy.
by LeeCaz on Oct 26, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, 14 losing seasons will do that to you!
Not many of us survived it! The others became lifelong 49er fans
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 26, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness though..
I choose to be optimistic because my approach is…what is my other option?
I have NO say on what happens to this team. So I may as well feel that better days are around the corner… and be optimistic on the situation because if Im wrong, oh well! There will be a new coach, and new players, and I will say give them a chance too!
I really dont know if Freeman is going to be the guy, but I do know he has what it takes to POSSIBLY be the guy, so lets give him his time. If we gave Vinny the ball, if we gave Trent the ball, lets give it to Freeman and give him time.
Same thinking with Coach Morris.
You will not get him fired, nor will I be able to save his job. So I decide to support him, because I like his messages when I hear them.
Has he made mistakes?
Yes.
Do I think he can learn from his mistakes?
Dont we all?
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 26, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THEY ALL SUCK
It will be awhile before we win games again coaching staff is inexperience as well as our players and the owners I really think they do not care what happens front office and coaches can not draft or pick up the right players I mean this as bad as it get Buc’s fans by putting in the Freeman shows me they gave up on our season trust me he’s not going to be our QB we all want as long as that bad coaching staff we have is still around
by DMAN621 on Oct 26, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Putting freeman in game 7 shows you they gave up on the season?
IN game 7?
Where have you been?
The season ended after week 2
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 27, 2009 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell has frozen over!
I didn’t think that you had it in you Niko.
This season was pretty much over once we were 0-5 in my opinion. I thought we could have just gotten a bad break from the NFC East match ups and was still kind of hoping we could turn things around. The game against Carolina was pretty much the point where I lost all hope.
You get what you pay for.
by LeeCaz on Oct 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington and Carolina back to back.
To be honest, when we were driving up 7-0 on Washington I was actually thinking for a moment…"Hmmm, TJack is back, maybe this kid is the next coming of ‘name that succesful young QB’ , but then the missed FG popped the balloon that dream was on.
Oh LeeCaz, I may be a ridiculous optimist, but Im also a realist too.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 27, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Season been Over
The Buc’s season ended when they sign Leftwich and picked a QB in the first round they didn’t need one right now they had QB’s they did not want to sign experience this one of our reason we suck no experience oh yeah bad coaching and ownership next year look for the same maybe we’ll get lucky and win 3 games that’s if they draft right as for this year 1 game thats if the team pulls together and make no mistakes but we know that can’t happen
by DMAN621 on Oct 28, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
100 words without a period has your comment hard to understand..
but as for the first sentence, I was hoping you werent trying to say the Bucs didnt need to draft a franchise QB….Why would we want that when we had Luke McCown, a guy who could not even beat Leftwich out in preseason, or Josh Johnson. Lets face it, McCown had his chances, and he blew them all.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 29, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna stick up for McCown here
I think McCown got a raw deal, I don’t think he was given a fair shake in the preseason and I think he played well enough to start. Even going back to when he has played in the regular season, he’s done rather well, for the Bucs at least. I’m not saying we’d have a winning record with him, or a losing record for that matter, but he had the tools and experience to be competitive, and that’s all I ask for. When your head coach thinks with his heart and not his head, he makes decisions like this to trade away decent talent, after giving him $2 million to sign a contract no less (correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure he got the money).
I also believe they should have kept Garcia. Yeah, I know he’s a backup now, but he didn’t play bad while he was here, and I know Freeman could have learned a lot from the guy. Freeman has absolutely nobody to learn from, the poor kid is all by himself now. I am all for him starting now because I think experience now will benefit him and the team next year and the year after. But I still think he could have learned a ton from Garcia and then go in when he’s 100% ready to go.
by bucnut1 on Oct 29, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did he get a raw deal?
He stunk up the place!!
GO look up Episode 4 a new hope video under Nikoh521, I was the Biggest McCown supporter this offseason. Ive been in many an argument with people over Luke, but the bottom line is he did NOTHING in preseason to stand out and distance himself.
He got a raw deal? If he was better, he would have stood out! We need to face facts, he may have been better suited for Jon Gruden, but this preseason, he was outplayed by Byron Leftwich, and Leftwich is terrible.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 29, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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