B.J. Askew out for season

by rjblitz02 on Oct 20, 2009 5:28 PM EDT Comment 30 comments

Well, the title says it all, just some quick news I heard. This kind of stinks, because IMO he's a great blocker and pass catching full back.

Both from www.buccaneers.com and www.rotoworld.com.

I thought he was just in a 'fender bender'...

Earnest Graham will resume blocking duties. Askew has four years left on his contract with the Bucs.

I hope our run game can go strong for the rest of our season.

GO BUCS!!! :)

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You beat me to it.

We also picked up a CB named Marcus McCauley who was a 3rd round pick for the Vikings a couple of years back. He was waived by the Lions earlier this year.

Can’t be good if we are picking up the Lions trash huh?

The guy did start 9 games for Minnesota his rookie year, so at least he has some experience I guess.

by LeeCaz on Oct 20, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well its no big deal for this year...but isnt this the second time now BJ has found himself on the IR?

I know he was seriously hurt his first year too. He is a very good FB, but no one is worth a darn if they are always injured. If we can move Jurivicious, we can move anyone.

If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.

by Niko Houllis on Oct 20, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This time just seems like bad luck

But yea, we have 2 FBs on our roster who take their turns being injured. Only now, we have both on IR. Think is about time we start looking at some young FBs. I doubt we’ll find another Alstott, but maybe we can get another Lorenzo Neal.

by NewLogic on Oct 20, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well actually...

there is a RB out of Stanford who is a fuggin beast! and i was thinking how he would fit into an NFL run system. He kind of reminds of a White version of B. Jacobs. But if converted into a FB he would be an absolute monster. Idk how bad this might sound to other loyal Bucs fans….but he could be the next Alstott if converted. [I watched him play my Bruins and he made them look like Highschoolers]

by Luckydabney7 on Oct 20, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

as for the askew situation...

even if we were in the hunt. This really wouldnt bother me considering we have Graham who is willing to play any position givin. And quite honestly i thought Graham shouldve been our starting FB from the start since we could run so many different run schemes with him in there. Like i said before, I know Greg Olsen has made a living off QBs and the passing game but if he would just install a wildcat formation that invovled Johnson, Ward, Caddy, Graham and Antonio Bryant at WR. We could really give teams hell on the ground. [guess thats all just a dream though]

by Luckydabney7 on Oct 20, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just wonder when were going to start running some designed screen plays to ...

Cadillac
Graham
Ward
Who could do alot with the ball. No one has said the one person that really must go at the end of the year, Olsen.

Its like Offense: Gruden Lite

If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.

by Niko Houllis on Oct 20, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you know.

I havent seen ONE damn screen play ALL year. JJ really couldve benifited from that against Philly AND Carolina….it makes the D play honest when they constantly blitz and Norv Turner does a real good job of that [which if you watched the game yesterday you could see that]. Olsen really seems to be outcoached week in and week out. There are plenty of things that this Offense could do. I dont question our talent on O. [The D maybe…i just think they are too young] but the O shouldnt be struggling as much as it has, in my opinion.

by Luckydabney7 on Oct 20, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think of all things, Olsen may be the one who is replaced for 2010...

among some of the assistant coaches maybe. Not pointing anyone out, just saying we’ll probably see a few get changed out.

If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.

by Niko Houllis on Oct 21, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dangit

Good thing we kept all our backs now. Graham is an ok guy to fill in, but he’s not a typical blocking back. Be interesting to see how they use him and if he is able to sustain the blocking capabilities for 10 more games.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 20, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn

At first I was angry because he has been hurt a lot but since this was due to a car accident I am not as mad about it. Nothing you can do about a car accident.

by Trobes05 on Oct 20, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh thats right..I forgot about that, I heard the news on Sunday..but I wasnt able to put two and two together till you reminded me.

Disregard my comment then about this being the second year hurt. Car Wrecks are a whole different story.

If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.

by Niko Houllis on Oct 20, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wildcat?

we have three talented running backs so why cant we run the wildcat it succeeds everywhere !?

by the420bucsfan on Oct 20, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wildcat requires almost perfect surprise, perfect execution,

and the right players- not everyone can run the wildcat.

J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.

by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 20, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't want to start throwing gimmicks out there

when we already show zero commitment to the run. Get the basics right first.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 21, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes...Sam Wyche is gone

If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.

by Niko Houllis on Oct 21, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly..

AND our starting QB at the moment runs a 4.5 forty as well. There are plenty more things Olsen could do. Yet he insists on a SIMPLE playbook….and passing.

by Luckydabney7 on Oct 20, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why..

would you have to surprise them? Miami doesnt “surprise” anyone. They just run it. I agree that you need the right personel and OC. Hell you can learn it just by watching tape and duplicating it in practice. Once you get good at it then its on. But we can deffinately run it with our guys….we just need an OC who knows what hes doin. Statistically it actually favors the offense.

by Luckydabney7 on Oct 20, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How does it statistically favor the offense?

Outside of Miami breaking it big every few games, what other team has successfully run the WildCat? Cleveland didn’t, Philly didn’t, Zona didn’t, and I don’t see really any of the premier teams that have a pulse attempting it.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 21, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you have...

8 blockers, and at the BEST usually the D will ONLY have 8. Of course that is only if you are running consinstantly so they call a run blitz and stack the box. with a hat-on-a-hat that leaves an extra man if you include RB. So considering the lineman do their assignments and the RB is good [not even great] it favors the Offense to be able to pick up 4-5 yards or even get to the second level. Now….we haven’t even thrown in trickery [which im not a huge fan of anyway.] Also, you have 3 potential runners, even a simple fake to FB, with a counter the opposite way and the G pulling, is VERY effective. [watch Miami]. The reason other teams [such as the Eagles] haven’t been able to run it is because they use the wrong personel [Vick at WR.. really? with Kolb is no threat to run?]. If ever read any Philidelphia articles…they dont LIKE to run. Reid said he doesnt even BELIEVE in running to “set up the pass”. <—which is ignorant. So how would he be able to set up the Wildcat?? And Cleveland? Really Cleveland?? haha they cant do ANYTHING let alone run a Wildcat. HAHA.

by Luckydabney7 on Oct 21, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dude Reply button

J.J LOVE SPREADS while RAHEEM MORRIS'S PLAN FOR NFLDOMINECION IS COMING TO AN END.

by Some other guy who does not care on Oct 21, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well Philly has run it with Vick, McCoy and Westbrook as the Wildcat QB

Cleveland ran it with Cribbs and actually threw out of it. The NFL is a copycat league, if something is working, other teams will copy it. Miami is very proficient at it, but even then its a crap shoot. It doesn’t statistically favor the offense. What you probably meant was it gives the offense an extra runner that has to be accounted for.

I see it as a gimmick that is successful sometimes, but not all the time. I don’t think everyteam can or should run it. If three potential runners made it successful, don’t you think the triple option would make an appearance?

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by Buc Wild on Oct 21, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats a good point with the Triple Option..

I think part of the reason that doesnt work in the NFL is because the Defenses are so much quicker than in College. The triple option requires alot of speed [from both QB and RB] and being able to hit the corner faster than the Defense.

Here…take this into consideration. Lets say you line your offense up in the “Wildcat”. You put Graham under center with, Ward [ward would be the FB] and Caddilac in the back field lined up in a weak formation. So you also have TE on the line and 2 recievers. Before the play you motion Ward to form a strong-side formation, then run a toss [to the strong side].

This is where the Wildcat helps…because Graham is under center, after he pitches it he can then act as 2ND FB. Giving you one extra blocker as opposed to the QB just pitching it and not doin anything. So not ONLY does the D have to take that 3rd runner into consderation before the play but then you actually end up with ANOTHER FB. Which then can give an extra cut back lane and or if hes fast enough and the blocks hold you have a lead blocker goin into the secondary. This can also work if you ran a play inside where you fake the intial handoff and Graham then follows Ward AND Caddy through the hole. [statistically it improves your chances, if run correctly of course]

by Luckydabney7 on Oct 21, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see this working

First, what you described is more of a triple option. In the Wildcat, the “QB” lines up in the shotgun, not under center. Second it is almost impossible for a “QB” to pitch the ball and then act as a lead blocker as he is 5 steps behind the play. It would only work on a reverse or end around.

The triple option does not require speed, it requires a QB who can read. The option isn’t about beating the defense to the corner, it’s about reading the breakdown and crash of the line. The FB component of the triple draw does not rely on speed, and the HB does not have to be fast, but just be able to catch the pitch. The QB should be faster than average, but Tebow who runs the zone spread and QB read option is not lighting fast, he just understands the offense. Speed is a nice tool, but not a requirement.

The Wildcat takes a blocker out of the picture at times. When Miami runs it with Ricky WIlliams in motion, there is no fullback, it is a zone read that Ronnie Brown makes. He either hands it off and it becomes more of a stretch or off tackle play, or he keeps it and it becomes a dive play, but the full back is not leading. If there is a fullback he has to come across the formation. In the “I” formation, the FB and HB will see the same thing as they come from the same angle.

In your example, I see no benefit to having a RB as the “QB” By putting Ward at FB, though he is a good player, he is not as good a blocker as true FB or blocking TE (at least in theory). This is just a typical running play, Graham would provide no value.

The best way to use it would be with JJ, Caddy and Ward/Graham. But you line up with one of them outwide and motion them like Ricky Williams does, then there is a hand off option, a QB run option and a pass option.

I prefer not to see it because its just a gimmick. Caddy and Ward with Graham can run the ball without gimmicks.

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by Buc Wild on Oct 21, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ya i realize

that the Wildcat is usually ran with the “QB” in a shotgun type look. -so maybe that was a bad example. However you could run that same play in the “shotgun” look with two backs set next to him [or even if one was split out and you motioned him in]. [you’d still have an extra blocker] As for the toss play…. maybe i shouldve said “pitch” so he isnt so far back after the pitch. Since he would be about 2 steps back it would create more “cut back lanes”. I was trying to draw somethin up short and sweet instead of typing a whole long thing. haha but ya you could run it

And i do agree that it can be run with JJ, Caddy and Ward/Graham. We can run with/without the Wildcat. [atleast we should be] Most of my point comes to that our OC Olsen needs to expand his playbook instead of sticking to such basic play-calls. [which is why Raheem fired Jags…for a more BASIC offense] He needs to learn how to utilize the talent we DO have and take some pressure off our less talented players [cough, Clayton]. Especially since we have so much running talent in the backfield. The Wildcat could do that by getting more of them on the field at once making it difficult to read and/or stop and just giving more options.

by Luckydabney7 on Oct 21, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs