2nd Half Defensive Failures
Watching the game this weekend I made a comment that the Bucs have lost games in the third quarter. We were consistently giving up big plays and long drives in the 2nd half.Going into half-time we have not been out of a game. The Eagles created the most separation (14 points). Two TD's certainly isn't too much to come back from. I am about to go into some numbers. We are going to look at Yards Per Play / Half. Before I took this on I made a hypothesis that it's going to be far higher in the second half. Does the evidence support this?
Because goal-line plays can skew the data, we will remove those from the equation. We will also remove turnovers and penalties as plays. Not because they aren't important, they are, but I want to know how our defense is performing on the 'average' play. Some things that can skew this 'study' are game plans, score and second-half strategies. We will go game by game.
Game 1 - Dallas Cowboys
First Half - 5.8 YPP / 30 Plays
Second Half - 12.8 YPP / 23 Plays
Game 2 - Buffalo
First Half - 6.8 / 30 plays
Second Half - 8.09 / 33 plays
Game 3 - NYG
First Half - 5.5 (I will admit in this game, while their YPP is rather low, they sustained long drives in the first half)
Second Half - 5.1 / 34 (Much of their 2nd team was in during the 4th Qtr)
Game 4 - Washington
First Half - 3.6 / 29 Plays
Second Half - 7.0 / 27 Plays
Game 5 - Philthy
First Half - 11 YPP / 20 Plays
Second Half - 3.9 / 29 Plays
Reason #47 to hate Philthy - They are ruining my 'study.'
Game 6 -Carolina Panthers
First Half - 5.1 YPP / 29 Plays
Second Half - 5.89 / 29 Plays
Total
First Half - 5.3
Second Half - 7.13 (Despite Philthy's Best Effort to destroy it)
That's almost a 2 yard difference per play. Again, long drives and big plays skew it both way, but they kind of cancel each other out. If you take out the two more dominant offenses (6 and 7th ranked) who had our number the entire game it shows a clear break-down of defense in the second half. So why is that?
I have a couple of theories I am working on.
A) Just as it does in college, size of the front 7 matters. Hayes, Black, Adams and Hovan are all fairly light. I am working on some research to see if the same theory that FSUncensored (thought it wont be as in-depth) has fits in the NFL.
B) Our defense is out-conditioned. However, in general teams (there are some players who don't live up to this) are equally conditioned in the NFL.
C) Strength / Talent
D) Gameplan. How does our gameplan change? Do we become less aggressive? Are we not making adjustments? If we are not making adjustments, our defense is being outcoached.
Whatever the reason, we can't reasonably expect to win games when folding on defense in the 2nd half. One of my favorite sites on SBNation is ThirdQuarterCollapse (The Magic Blog). The Magic were infamous for squandering away large halftime leads in the third quarter. While the Bucs have only led in one game (Washington) they have squandered away hopes of coming back by allowing long drives, big plays for touchdowns and terrible defense.
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Even more surprising about these #'s is the big margins we have been down
You would think offenses would have shut it down somewhat in the 4th skewing things in the opposite direction.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 20, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's def what the Giants and Eagles did.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't make adjustments
and we are undersized for this scheme (outmanned). Our conditioning is tough to judge. i say that because are we getting beat due to lack of talent or running out of gas? I can’t make that call.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 20, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Like I said in the article, rarely is it a case of being out-conditioned. NFL players are in general equally conditioned. It’s not high school.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To a point, but there has to be somet truth to hot and cold weather teams
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 20, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
I don’t know that it’s a conditioning issue though, rather a comfort issue. A lot of quarterbacks and speed guys who play in warm weather don’t know how to make the appropriate adjustments when it gets cold and the opposite is true. I dont know that cold weather teams are not conditioned for the warmth, they just don’t know how to properly hydrate themselves in those conditions.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Not to mention, team design, Colts are designed for fast surfaces while tradtionally the Steelers and Packers have been built more for the elements. I can’t wait till Cutler struggles in the winter.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 20, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mile High wasn't exactly warm.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't compare Mile high to the Windy City
QBs do terrible in Chicago in the winter, both the Bears and opponents. I did a study on it in the offseason, i’ll try to dig it up.
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 20, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being from Chicago..I'll back FreeZorilla up...
Its a different type of cold that goes right through your bones.
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by Niko Houllis on Oct 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't even say it's undersized, just shitty.
Ryan Sims is 6-3, 315 (supposedly). Ryan Kalil is 6-3 300 pounds. Without help, Kalil single handedly moved Sims out of the play, allowing the Panthers to consistently get two blockers to the second level. Also, we didn’t really have an answer for the Panthers running their singleback-trips set with Jeff King as a wideout and Hoover/Rosario behind him.
by Suttree on Oct 20, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We weigh less than Pittsburghs front 7 does
and they are in a 3-4. I am working on more numbers but it may take a day or two.
Adams was grossly undersized as are Hayes and Black.
Sims is big, but plays very high.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Black is 6 ft 2, 240 pounds. Hardly undersized.
Adams was 260lbs. That is not outrageously underweight for a weak side defensive end. Hayes is very small, but we’re not any more undersized than say the Broncos, the few times Indy had a good defense, or even during the Kiffin years.
Size doesn’t matter, quickness and technique do, and we’re lacking both.
by Suttree on Oct 20, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree.
Not fully though, your correct, its not just size, or else there would be 500# men on the line. But our problem is we are undersized on the D line for this system, we need guys 320-345, WITH the speed and agility.
But I see your point.
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by Niko Houllis on Oct 20, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point as well, but while size is important, it's not a requirement.
Kelly Gregg played nose tackle in Baltimore’s 3-4 for several years at 285-290 pounds and was exceptionally good.
by Suttree on Oct 20, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is true. Nice
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 20, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver's defense
is all on steroids (i say this jokingly). They are a small group of guys who play much bigger than their size.
Bucs have Black listed at 227 which is undersized for a Sam linebacker.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird. Everywhere else is listed from 240-245.
Denver is a great testament to the important of how small, active, disruptive linemen can be as effective, if not more so, then trotting out space eaters. Space eaters still have their place in the NFL, but they have to be more well-rounded then the Gilbert Brown’s of the world. Ngata, Pat Williams, and Vince Wilfork are all very, very big, but they’re also extremely active and athletic.
All that aside, however you cut it, Sims needs to be replaced.
by Suttree on Oct 20, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a very good DT
when he stays low and leverages the OL. He rarely does it though.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Week one of 2010 will feature only one D lineman from this year.
Wilkinson. Thats it. Im hearing Roy Miller is another Warren Sapp in as much as his heart is in the game. The man was in tears in front of his locker room because of that late drive the Panthers had on them, of which he was in on. But he fought on every play. Thats the kind of stuff that turned this around in 1996 and will again in 09/10.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 21, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kalil is a very good C
Sims is not a very good DT.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should be in great shape since we started hitting with pads right off the bat in camp.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 20, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or worn down.
Depends on which school of thought you buy into.
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by UNFNOLE on Oct 20, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it really depends on how bad they were practiced..
Ray Perkins used to put the Bucs through 3 a days in his camps, and the Bucs always played good first 4 games of the year…but by week 10 they were finished.
But back then athletes would come to camp to GET in shape, now they come IN shape (all athletes except those named Penn of course). I only say that because its true, I happen to like Penn and feel he needs a serious long term contract.
If anyone can get production out of Gaines Adams, it will be Rod Marinelli. Good Luck Gaines and thank you Bucs for restoring my confidence that there is accountability.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 21, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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