But I don’t understand why we’d consider trading Ruud, even if it meant getting the “projected” beast, Spikes.

We shouldn’t trade Ruud, Put some good DE’s T. Jackson and Talib around him, he will be a pro bowler……Think we can trade 3,4,5 for a 2ed? I mean having 1, 2,2,2, would be great for us…

That place is absolutely moronic, and it pisses me off.

He wasn’t doing ANYTHING. i understand that he was a first rounder and that he was given 29 games, but the fact of the matter is that he wasn’t doing anything pass rushing or run stopping. i think alot of you are looking at it from the wrong perspective, when i see the bucs, i see a team that has no choice but to play what they have because 1) its rebuilding, you think were young now, omg just wait till next yr, and 2) its just a new era and its hard to accept this right now because were losing, most of these players are gone next season and were gonna totally retool the defense with players that fit the system.

im even gonna say this and im gonna be the first and maybe even the only buc fan to say. i like whats happening. there getting rid of the old and filling the new and Gaines Adams to me was not worth waiting around for. they got value for him when they did and im actually astounded we got a second rounder for him because he wasn’t even playing like a second round pick. no, i feel we got rid of him while we could sell his “potential tag” and got away with a pick that will help us rebuild this defense. were gonna be aggressive in the draft and who knows, maybe we will end up with 2 first round picks. its all about waiting and seeing but i was soo tired of waiting on Macdonald’s lovin Adams to live up to his potential, he was tagged as being lazy coming out of college and thats the only part of him that has lived up to its hype.

there is just an abundance amount of defensive talent in the 2010 draft, this is gonna be sooo sweet to watch and just see us get the guys i know raheem is looking for. if there is any yr i want a head coach learning on the job, its definately this yr cuz when you rebuild, you are actually almost saying lets take a yr or 2 to rebuild and get our team where it needs to be.

and for the note, im new, and im soo happy to see more buc fans that actually understand the situation and that it is a rebuilding yr.

who is our #1 draft pick gonna get wasted on this year since the Bucs have had the habit as of late NOT PICKING the best available at any position (perfect example: Talib over Michael Jenkins)?

I wana run something past you guys. Wait 10 seconds…think about it…before you start throwing stones at me…

What would you guys think about trading your 1st rounder for Glenn Dorsey?

 Why dont the buck’s take him?

See…what I dont see…

It is entirely possible we will pick about 2nd this year in the draft where the bucks will pick maybe 3rd.

It is likely that the Buck’s will be targeting Ndamukong Suh as they are in desperate need a Good DT for their 4-3.

Now…

 It is widely believed that Suh isn’t even in the same ball park of talent as Dorsey when it comes to 4-3 DT.

The Bucks might even save money if they traded with us for Dorsey for their 1st round pick…straight up.

It has been shown that DTs usually start to shine till their 3rd or 4th year with their team ala Warren Sapp. Dorsey will be in his 3rd year next year and Suh wont be ready till the 2112 season by this reasoning.

Also, Dorsey has shown that the worries about his knees when he was originally drafted were false. He is mostly a regular starter without recurrent problems.

Dorsey was not allowed to do what he does best under Herm which is that quick step rush of the QB.

Now in his second year, he is showing signs of life in a position he was never built to play, he is geting his instincts down in a faster environment than DT as a 3-4 DE.

If….

this trade were to go through. We could get Russell Okung with our first 1st pick. Slide Albert over to RT (where he started out).

Then draft Carlos Dunlap with our 2nd pick. We would have a true freak of a right side rushing defensive end with this guy.

Ok…so what do you guys think

Buc Wild

We got Dorsey with the 5th pick in the draft and its 2 years later. If you guys pick 1-4 you would be saving yourselves money taking Dorsey.

Shadowchicken

Well…we switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Dorsey isnt a natural DE in the 3-4…but he is a natural DT in the 4-3…what you guys run.

Do you guys really think Suh is better for you than Dorsey? I guess if you think so than nevermind.

Glenn Dorsey is more like 6 1 290…he is better at DE than NG in a 3-4. We have tank tyler at nose guard. He isnt doing too bad. Built like a NG. Played NG. And he did like 42 reps at his combine…he is unreal strong.

Well anyways. Just thought I’d run that past you guys. Interesting feedback. Thanx for not stoning me. Haha.

I’d like to know where people are hearing that Suh isn’t the same caliber as Dorsey. Bo Pelini coached both, and has stated several times that Suh has the tools to be a better player.

"They’re very similar," Pelini said of Suh and Dorsey. "And in some ways, big Suh has got some edges in some areas. So it just shows you how good he can be."

That was before the season began. A more recent quote from a column. “Bo Pelini calls Suh the best player he’s ever coached and I believe it, the dude is serious.”

He’s now been projected as high as second in the draft (McShay) behind any of the top three or four top qbs.

Kiper put Suh third behind Bradford and Berry in his latest top five, with a caveat.

“Ndamukong Suh rightfully moves up after a dominating performance against Virginia Tech — yes, in a loss — in which he not only was disruptive in the manner great defensive tackles often are, but also batted down four passes, a fantastic stat. It’s a case where a guy is just relentlessly active, regardless of whether he’s double-teamed or chasing down a quarterback. He affects the play. I’ve said it before: Suh could be at the top of this when all is said and done. "

That was prior to his performance against Mizzou, mind you.

-C