View from the Owners Seat
This is my entry into the fanpost competition for a 30 year old hat:
Well, I have one true gift and that is my abilty to spot trends, fads, popular shows/songs well before they are popular and call them. For example, I was the first person wearing a Hawaiin shirt in the mid to late '90's. The first time I heard "Tubthumper" by Chumbawamba I knew it would be played on local radio until the point of inducing vomit. And finally, at the age of 5, I called the whole "football will be really popular" phenomenan. Obviously, I know what I'm doing here folks.
In all seriousness, I have watched football my entire life. I have only played organized football for one intramural game in college (I played right guard and pulled a Trueblood). So, here is what that does not qualify me to do: (1) I can not watch high school or college players and project them to the next level (apparently Mel Kiper Jr. can't do that effectively either considering Jamarcus Russell was at the top of his draft board) (2) I can not make in-game adjustments. I've never watched a Buccaneers game and thought to myself, "they need to pull their offside guard to seal cut back lanes since the other team is running a stunt. (3) I can not develop a playbook or offense or call plays (of course, I could obviously still get hired by Raheem as offensive coordinator). Am I leaving anything out?
However, having watched football all of my life I do know a few things, as do the rest of the loyal readers of Buc 'Em. You do not have to have professional experience to see some obvious problems. I may not know how to build a dishwasher, but I know if it cleans the dishes. Thus, while I can't detail the many intricacies of a zone blocking scheme, I do realize that seven rushes for 4 yards means you didn't execute your philosophy correctly.
My point of all of this is the examine the thoughts of the owners in the past several years and see if they are truly to blame for our problems. Let us begin with the purchase of Manchester United. Obviously, we've read that the Glazers took on a massive amount of debt to fund the purchase, and that the soccer team runs an operating loss due to the debt service. Thus, many assume that the Glazers have been pillaging the money from their profitable Buccaneers club to fill for that loss. That may be possible, but I do not believe that is the problem the Buccaneers face. I think that the Glazers understand the football landscape much better than we give them credit for, and are trying to save the franchise, while at the same time keeping their soccer investment. I have three main points of defense:
1st: The Glazers understand that investing in this club produces revenue. Upon purchasing the club they improved everything from marketing to uniforms, brought in great coaches, committed to good general managers, and showed a willingness to make trades or moves to get them over the hump. It took a lot of courage to fire Tony Dungy, a coach who could build great teams, but vastly underachieved in the playoffs. Yes, he won a Super Bowl, but in all of his years of coaching, more often than not, fans were disappointed with the playoff results of very strong teams. I understand that point is debatable, but no one can debate the bounty paid for Gruden. At the end of the Gruden tenure, I believe more than anything, he sealed his own fate by starting a rusty Brian Griese on the road against Atlanta, and tried to say he made the right call when his offense put up 10 points against the 23rd ranked defense in the league. I think at that point the Glazers knew they had plateued with a coach that routinely refused to draft a quarterback and develop him. Again, I've never coached, but even I know that Brian Griese will never get you where you want to go. So the decision to fire Gruden and hire Raheem falls to point 2:
2nd: The Glazers understand the disastrous labor situation on the horizon. No matter how much you pay your coach, they have to have players playing to win. When owners opted out of the collecitve bargaining agreement, allowed an uncapped year next year, and already have dug in for a potential lockout in 2011, the Glazers understood the darkening clouds. Independently, I can imagine that the Glazers realize spending on players and resources produces a direct increase in merchandising, corporate sponsorships, and ticket sales/stadium revenue. Tampa has enough money that they will support a winning team and support them passionately. I still wear my 2002 NFC Champions T-shirt and watch by Bucs Super Bowl DVD regularly. So, the Glazers have entered into a two year hibernation cycle to try and eliminate as many fixed expenses as possible. We will not see the Glazers get involved in heavy bidding for free agents. You may be thinking "they still have to pay Allen and Gruden for three years". Yes, they do, but not if those two land new jobs. Do you really believe that after this year, Gruden will remain unemployed. They fired him late so that he would not coach this year, but would be available for next year. I think his salary will come off the books courtesy of Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, or Penn State or Florida State, just in time for everyone to forget the end of his tenure. At any rate, the Glazers are in the owners meetings and they understand the fight that is coming. Rich people, both owners and players, have lost a grasp of how lucky they are to have what they have, not all, but quite a few, and will try to get as much for themselves as they can, rather than reach a mutually beneficial agreement.
3rd: Do football people actually know what they are doing? I understand the anger over $30 million of salary cap space. However, would that actually translate to improved play? This team started leaking oil last year in both the Kansas City and Detroit games. Was the Albert Haynesworth signing a good deal for the Redskins? It did not markedly improve their team. When we made a bold move to get Kenyatta Walker in the draft, how did that work out? To this day, I'm yet to unveil my homemade "Congratulations on making your first Pro Bowl, Kenyatta" T-shirt. This year we spent $2.5M on a bonus for Luke McCown, and then the "football experts" said he needed competition at that spot. Why did we give a bonus to a guy who needed competition? How many free agents did Gruden bring in circa 2004 only to see "dynamic" Charlie Garner carted off after 3 games. If all of these coaches are such geniuses, why does luck play such a huge roll in success. Bill Belicheck didn't start Tom Brady in the first game of the 2001 season. He started Drew Bledsoe, and the Patriots would have sucked if he hadn't been hurt. We all watched Mr August get relegated to the practice squad, then bust out with 10 rushing touchdowns and huge contributions to a playoff squad in 2005. Is Ben Rothlisberger the master of clutch because ever since Troy Polamalu got hurt, he sure doesn't look as clutch. I think at the end of the day, based on the upcoming labor situation, the Glazers said forget this free spending, let's roll the dice with the draft and some cheap staff until we have some semblance of stability going forward. Then we'll find the next generation's Hardy Nickerson to restart a new dynasty.
We just have to be patient. After all, it is still football.
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Excellent POV.
I will comment tomm. when I have time.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Oct 15, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blockquoted paragraph They fired him late so that he would not coach this year, but would be available for next yearbq. Blockquoted paragraph
Why would they do that? especially if they dont have to pay them once they are hired.
Blockquoted paragraph Glazers said forget this free spending, let’s roll the dice with the draft and some cheap staff until we have some semblance of stability going forward. bq. Blockquoted paragraph
They actually went after Hanyesworthm he actually was quoted saying the Bucs offered him more money but her declined.
I think you are basicaly saying you cant buy championships, and the Glazers believe that, and thats why they havent spent a lot of money on FA. I dont think they refuse to spend money, cosidering they went after Cutler, and Haynesworth in the offseason and Brett Favre last season.
Although, I think that is true, the Glazers seemed to be very picky with the type of FA they sign. Some will point out that the Glazers dont make those decisions, the GM does. I think they have to point thier GM into a certain direction of what kind of goals they have set for thier team.
In your first paragraph you are implying that you dont have to be a professional to understand football becuase you have a nact for trends.
So I think a lot of points you make are not excused becuase of that, such as Big Ben hasnt been clutch, or the Patriots would of sucked without Brady and Bellicheck got lucky, and they fired Gruden becuase of the ATL game. The points about the Glazers wanting to win and make money are true and common sense. But the others you dont have to be a profesional to convince me but you do have to explain why you think that.
How do you define clutch? Because Big Ben has played very well this season. I dont think Tony P. being hurt has anything to do with clutch. You think Bellicheck got lucky Brady was his QB, who do you think drafted him? Gruden wasnt fired until the offseason, and you think they fired him becuase of the one ATL game and he didnt want to draft a QB? It didnt have anything else to do with 4 game losing streak to be kicked out of the playoffs? Wich QB was he supposed to draft that we missed out on?
by Hook85 on Oct 16, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice points
Not sure if you meant the Glazers fired him late and thats WHY he didnt get hired, or they fired him late SO he wouldnt get hired… but that is why he didnt get hired in the NFL, it was too late.
And the Glazers took their time and did a good job consulting many people before making their move.
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 16, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ownership
bucsfandave what you are leaving out is the Manchester U mess. The Glazers are deep in debt and CANNOT afford to lock up their existing players and keep valuable veterans. You can argue that Derrick Brooks and Warrick Dunn had passed their prime but what was the reasoning in letting Phillip Buchannon and Cato June go? These were productive players and you cannot tell me that Phillip Buchannon isn’t an upgrade over Elbert Mack. Quincy Black and Adam Heyward will never be as good as Cato June. Those two moves right there tell you the Glazers are just cutting payroll to save money. Its a copout to talk about the Collective Bargaining agreement and an uncapped year next year. If that happens and teams are allowed to do what the New York Yankees do then this team will get even worse until ownership changes. Right now the Glazerhouses are funnelling NFL profits to their debt in England. Forget the $30 million under the cap the big number is that the Bucs have had the most frugal payroll over the last 6 years. That should tell you why we stink so bad. It not only takes money for free agents but to keep the good players you have. The Bucs are not doing that now and won’t until there is a change of ownership or the Glazers get out of debt.
by Bucs4ever on Oct 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bucs have plenty of money to run the team, that comes from the TV contracts..
They are short of cash for cash up front payments. Thats why they did everything guaranteed.
Cato June was not a playmaker like he was at Indy. Here you never heard his name. His pay was nothing compared to what they gave Clayton, K2, and Ward. As for PBuc, they did not expect him to leave. The Bucs were NOT going to OVER pay for him, or anyone. Thats how we got in the Cap mess to begin with.
Thank You Glazers for no Blackouts. Please buy some FAs in 2010.
by Niko Houllis on Oct 16, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not ready to shirk responsibility for the Glazers
Although your post brings up some good points, it seems like your final argument is that the bucs have been unlucky in their talent evaluation, and it doesn’t matter if you get talent in free agency or the draft as players can not pan out either way.
However, I’m going to play devils advocate here and suggest that in no way does that Glazers’ refusal to spend money indicate some type of steadfast, franchise-building approach to the NFL. It’s true they made the franchise what it is, and put in the time to bring us a superbowl (they also put the city of Tampa on the hook for building the Ray J) but to say that the Man U purchase has not directed their attention away from the Buccaneers is naive.
Someone above brought up the point that TV deals are where teams make their money, this is entirely true, tickets and concessions pale in comparison to the 100 million+ EACH team receives every year regardless of on the field performance. The Bucs remain in the top 10 most valued franchises in the NFL, and as long as that stadium is used, they make a profit. My source is below (cool article actually)
Given this, what exactly is their incentive to spend so frugally in free agency the past 6 years? The franchise is financially sound, so the focus should be putting the team in a position to succeed. I have to say this is not what the Glazers have done. They are the phantom owners as we all know, who descend from the heavens (or rise from below) to demand accountability from a Gruden administration that was long overdue. They then disappear to wherever it is they go, and leave us to discuss the problems of our team.
We can say this about the Glazers past moves: for the vast majority of them, they have been inexpensive. Morris was an in-house promotion, so was Dominik, we released scores of players, and haven’t made a real splash in free agency for sometime. (I know K2 and Clayton cost money, as do others, but keep this relative to the money we STILL have available).
My point here is that the Glazers are not an actively involved ownership group that is dedicated to winning a championship. Man U is their beast of burden, and a huge one at that (you think football is big?), the Bucs have become their side project that they will maintain as long as it produces a profit. I don’t anyway condone moron owners like Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder who think they are the team, but it would be nice to have an owner that treated this team as their personal project, not just an asset. As fans we have the right to demand excellence from our team, and it starts by demanding excellence from the top.
by RaystheTrop on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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