Turning Tides
by Buctooth on Oct 12, 2009 3:12 AM EDT
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Fellow Bucs fans, I have one question to ask…
WHAT THE BUC?
I have endured strenuous season before, but this? Never before have I seen such a debacle of the Buccaneers since the 80’s. I rode high on Raheem’s so called "Dream." I have sat quietly and nodded as great opportunities passed us by. I shrugged it off as our beloved team limped away at the 3-0 starting record. I even defended Raheem and company, trying to pinpoint the problems elsewhere. Now, while I have spoken about the Glazer’s in the past, I no longer believe they are the sole source of our woes. As Raheem Morris once said in a press conference, "It’s an organization thing."
The true test of a fan comes with the hard losses. I’m not saying that I’m ready to abandon the ship I’ve sailed since 1997. I’m saying that the ship needs a new captain, or something along those lines.
So what is it then, Bucs fans? Many of us have speculated the various detriments that have hampered our team. There’s our lack of roster depth, coaching staff, injuries, and the lack of funds to fuel a well balanced sports team. Well, for this particular tidbit, I’ll be doing what I thought I’d never do: bash Raheem. Yes, you cannot blame a puppy for peeing the carpet, but enough is enough. If the puppy can’t learn the rules, then strict discipline must be administered. In other words, FIRE RAHEEM MORRIS!
While my sudden turncoat upon the Tampa Bay coaching staff is well fueled by high emotion, I will bring up some facts to help support this reasoning. To demonstrate this, I will compare NFL head coaches to oranges. Yes, oranges.
Did it ever occur to anyone that coaches are like oranges? They all grow from a tree, a tree of other coaches. And like the fruits themselves, they all need time to mature. When the time is right, the fruit is picked from the tree and becomes a full-fledged nutrient to the body source. In this case, in layman terms, the body source is the team, and the coach is to provide success and nourishment. Get the picture? Good. Now, Raheem Morris, as it may seem, looked to be a prospective orange. After the dispelling of Gruden (whom some may argue to be a "rotten" fruit), the farmer (Glazer) needed a new orange to take its place. The problem is, Raheem wasn’t ready. In fact, I strongly believe he still isn’t ready.
Here is a list of all 32 current Head Coaches in the NFL. Below them is a list of the coaches they’ve served under.
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AFC EAST
Head Coach: Dick Juaron
Learned Under: Hank Bullough, Forrest Gregg, Lindy Infante, Mike Holmgren & Tom Coughlin
Head Coach: Tony Sparano
Learned Under: Chris Palmer, Marty Schottenheimer, Tom Coughlin, Bill Parcells, and Wade Philips
Head Coach: Bill Belichick
Learned Under: Ted Marchibroda, Tommy Hudspeth, Red Miller, Ray Perkins, and Bill Parcels
Head Coach: Rex Ryan
Learned Under: Buddy Ryan, Brian Billick, and John Harbaugh
AFC NORTH
Head Coach: John Harbaugh
Learned Under: Ray Rhodes and Andy Reid
Head Coach: Marvin Lewis
Learned Under: Bill Cowher, Ted Marchibroda, Brian Billick, and Steve Spurrier
Head Coach: Eric Mangini
Learned Under: Ted Marchibroda, Bill Parcels, and Bill Belichick
Head Coach: Mike Tomlin
Learned Under: Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, and Brad Childress
AFC SOUTH
Head Coach: Gary Kubiak
Learned Under: George Seifert and Mike Shanahan
Head Coach: Jim Caldwell
Learned Under: Tony Dungy
Head Coach: Jack Del Rio
Learned Under: Mike Ditka, Brian Billick, and John Fox
Head Coach: Jeff Fisher
Learned Under: Mike Ditka, Buddy Ryan, John Robinson, George Seifert, and Jack Pardee
AFC WEST
Head Coach: Josh McDaniels
Learned Under: Bill Belichick
Head Coach: Todd Haley
Learned Under: Rich Kotite, Bill Parcels, Al Groh, Dick Juaron, and Ken Wisenhunt
Oakland Raiders:
Head Coach: Tom Cable
Learned Under: Jim Mora and Lane Kiffin
Head Coach: Norv Turner
Learned Under: John Robinson, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Riley, Dave Wannestedt, and Mike Nolan
NFC EAST
Head Coach: Wade Phillips
Learned Under: Bum Phillips, Buddy Ryan, Dan Reeves, and Marty Schottenheimer
Head Coach: Tom Coughlin
Learned Under: Marion Campbell, Forrest Gregg, and Bill Parcells
Head Coach: Andy Reid
Learned Under: Mike Holmgren
Head Coach: Jim Zorn
Learned Under: Dennis Erickson, Bobby Ross, and Mike Holmgren
NFC NORTH
Head Coach: Lovie Smith
Learned Under: Tony Dungy and Mike Martz
Head Coach: Jim Schwartz
Learned Under: Brian Billick, Ted Marchibroda, and Jeff Fisher
Head Coach: Mike McCarthy
Learned Under: Marty Schottenheimer, Ray Rhodes, Jim Haslett, and Mike Nolan
Head Coach: Brad Childress
Learned Under: Andy Reid
NFC SOUTH
Head Coach: Mike Smith
Learned Under: Brian Billick and Jack Del Rio
Head Coach: John Fox
Learned Under: Chuck Noll, Bobby Ross, Art Shell, Mike White, Rich Brooks, and Jim Fassel
Head Coach: Sean Payton
Learned Under: Ray Rhodes, Jim Fassel, and Bill Parcells
Head Coach: Raheem Morris
Learned Under: Jon Gruden
NFC WEST
Head Coach: Ken Wisenhunt
Learned Under: Ted Marchibroda, Chris Palmer, Al Groh, and Bill Cowher
Head Coach: Steve Spagnuolo
Learned Under: Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin
Head Coach: Mike Singletary
Learned Under: Brian Billick and Mike Nolan
Head Coach: Jim L. Mora
Learned Under: Don Croyell, Al Saunders, Dan Henning, Jim E. Mora, Steve Mariucci, and Dennis Erickson
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Notice the pattern here? It seems like most, if not all, these coaches had gained experience through their mentors. Then, like the typical path of a coach, they rise through the ranks and land themselves a comfy seat in the Head Coach Position. They've learned the tricks of the trade through seasoned and professional coaches.
How far did Raheem Morris have to trek? Not far. His landing of the job came almost as a default. Sure, he worked under the Great Monty Kiffin… or did he? Now that I think about it, Mike Tomlin also learned from Monty Kiffin. Maybe he got the better lesson. Point is, it is clear that Raheem Morris was picked from the tree before he had time to mature. If you watch the multiple (and very disappointing) post game conferences, Raheem tends to refer to the other teams as teams he’d like to emulate one day.
Bucs fans, this is not what we should be hearing from a Head Coach. This is something we hear from someone else on the coaching staff; where they’re not there yet, but they soon aspire to be.
My patience is wearing thin, I don’t want the Bucs to reclaim that losing mantle from the Detroit Lions. I won’t deny that our team has talent; there are a multitude of players who can make big plays for our team. The problem is, our coaching staff have no idea what the Buc they’re doing. If anything, we can’t rely on Raheem’s tree anymore, not for now at least. And besides that, the fruit that this tree bears is rubbish. If we’re going to take ourselves seriously as a football team, the Glazers need to realize that finding the right coach isn’t a matter of who shines the brightest. The right coach can be found, granted one looks hard enough. But good luck, Mr. Glazer, by now, it would seem that the orchard of coaches are but slim pickins, now.
So consider me on board for the mutiny. It’s time we get a new captain at the helm, one who knows what the hell they are doing. And make sure the first mates are just as hardened as the rest of the crew. Hire new coaches, get rid of the old ones, Glazers, , or by Bucco Bruce this ship’s gonna sink, taking us all down with it.
- Zeke
P.S. – Sorry for all the metaphors. They just work.
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Great Points
As many people have been suggesting the same thing, but no real reasoning behind thier statements. I feel Morris needs to start showing some progression as well, but firing him now would be crazy. We dont need a Lane Kiffin situation here. See how well the Raiders have done since his firing…Also it’s just not fair to fire a coach after 5 games. Niko has been quick to point out many great coaches have started out just as bad as Morris has.
by Hook85 on Oct 12, 2009 3:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True...
… but those many great coaches had to learn first. Morris hasn’t, it’s like he skipped that step. I’ll admit, perhaps firing Morris isn’t a good idea. But then again, I never thought much of the Raiders anyways. Al Davis is a tyrant who just continues to make bad decisions.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity..." - Maximus Decimus Meridius
by Buctooth on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't use the Raiders
as a good example. That’s all Al Davis’ mess, I wouldn’t put any blame on the puppet I mean coaching staff.
by bucnut1 on Oct 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are not giving enough LIMB SUPPORT to the Monte Kiffin Branch. That should have been on your list. Jon Gruden, Monte Kiffin, Mike Tomlin.
If you want to be honest, as you are including EVERY COACH POSSIBLE in your tree for the others, but removing the two biggest names from Raheems.
Do you really think any other coach in the NFL would win with these guys? I dont.
Also, your mistaking Speaking Presense to the media as the same as how he addresses his team. One is not important and will get better. The other is important, and everything we know about Raheem says his team gets it.
As of this point in the season, I dont blame any losses solely on Raheem. They are on the players who play the game poorly.
When veterans commit penalties or turn the ball over? Thats coaching. When young kids do it, thats just being young.
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 12, 2009 4:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian Billick.........
Needs to be our new Head Coach with Gary Kubiak as our OC if he fired from Houston. As far as DC……….Anything or anyone could be better than this Jim Bates’ crap we are witnessing. I’m personally done with this coaching staff and I wont be satisfied until they are replaced with experience and quality. “Chance” is over.
by buccanator on Oct 12, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why fire Raheem Morris when Jim Bates is the one doing most of the damage?
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by Buc Wild on Oct 12, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with this!
But after 5 games my automatic pass for Morris is wearing paper thin.
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 12, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the Head Coach, you have to make decisions....
We never got a true explanation why Jags was let go…..major decision #1….. result: ?
Benching Byron Leftwich…….major desicion #2…. result: developing the #3 Quarterback while our Franchise Quarterback sits and watches….I know I know…we don’t want Freeman killed….whatever
Firing Mike Nugent……..major desicion #3….result: who knows, he didn’t attempt any FGs when he was in FG position
Defense has given up 34,33,24,16,33………major desicion #4…..result: that’s right he hasn’t made one
Micheal “Hands of Stone” Clayton……….major desicion #5…..result: Clayton is still playing
Gaines Adams…..major desicion #6……..result: Adams is still playing
I know we are a bad football team and I know we are lacking players. When is Morris going to make desicions that will improve this team as we go through the year. Haven’t seen one yet!
by buccanator on Oct 12, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did get a reason why Jags was fired
1) not detail oriented and didn’t have a vertical portion to passing game.
2) JJ earned the opportunity and hasn’t been dreadful. Plus, the head coach and GM both say Freeman isn’t ready.
3) Nugent had to go, please tell me you aren’t second guessing that.
4) Maybe the DC should be yelled at for this one
5) Dominik paid him, speak with him about it.
6) Who would you play in Gaines Adams stead? We don’t have a bevy of options. He also had a good week 4 so he got the start in Week 5. That may change when we have healthy bodies.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 12, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
1) What vertical game has Olson had, really?
2) JJ 2 TD 6 INT, yeah isn’t as bad as Leftwich, but is this the FUTURE?
3) Yes Nugent had to go, but he didn’t use the new Kicker we had.
4) Our Defensive Coach needs to go. If a team still struggles after 5 games with no positive return, he needs to adjust to his players. He won’t, so here we are.
5) If I could speak to Dominik, just like you, it would be a very long conversation.
6) There are options. Bring a Free Agent in to compete or look to trade with someone. Week 6 is the cut-off right?
by buccanator on Oct 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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1) I never said Olsen was better, you asked why was Jags let go and I gave you the two reasons that Raheem gave.
2) Im pretty sure Leftwich wasn’t 2 TD and 6 INT, not was JJ (3 TD passes). The double standards amaze me between Leftwich and anyone else. He by no means was a savior at quarterback but was also better than anyone gives him credit for.
3) You don’t use a kicker just to use him. I personally thought we shouldve kicked instead of going for it, but to want to fire Morris for not using a new kicker, geez.
4) What scheme/system/coach would you like brought in? If its anything but Cover 2, it will be the same debacle, and even then, some of the guys we have will fail at Cover 2. The front four is the defensive issue.
5) I’m not defending Clayton, but that’s not a Morris decision. He can certainly bench him, but I wonder if Morris is worried about losing Clayton like Gruden did. I imagine that plays into it, for better or worse.
6) Trades are week 6, free agents continue. I think all the players, minus Leftwich are being given a bit longer to prove themselves because everything is new. I don’t know of any one guy who has played great every game. Gaines had a good game, and now a bad one. When the depth is there, or we have another option, we will play them. If we thought a free agent was better than Gaines, I’m willing to bet he’d be on the team already.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
If they were going to change the Defensive scheme then why didn’t they bring some personel with them. It’s like bring a knife to a gun fight. Poor off season.
I didn’t say fire Morris because of the kicker, it is one of the many decisions that shows what type of Head Coach he really is.
by buccanator on Oct 12, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't overhaul a roster in one year. This system change will take time (if we give it that long).
The offseason and hirings (again) is not Morris’ job. If you are pissed that our scheme and personnel don’t match, find MD and yell at him, Morris doesn’t go sign guys.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who wants a coach that doesn't have any say-so
saying Mark Domink is the sole operator of personal is ridiculous.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really don't get it do you
The coach doesn’t get to say whether he makes the decisions. When he interviews and signs on, it’s stated he either will have control of personnel decisions or he won’t. The Glazer’s have always (as far as I know) had a separate GM and head coach. They are two COMPLETELY separate functions.
Some places have the HC act as GM also, some have been successful, some have not. This isn’t a Morris issue, any head coach with Tampa has to answer to a GM. Dungy did to McKay, Gruden to Allen and now Morris to Dominik.
You make it sound like Raheem made the decision to give up personnel control. Absolutely not true.
Who do you think on 80% of the teams is the sole operater of personnel? head coaches are always free to voice their opinions, doesnt mean they get listened to. How about Bill Parcells in Dallas. He was adament about TO not going there. I’d say Parcells is a well respected coach, and guess what, Jerry Jones brought in TO anyways. The buck does NOT stop with the head coach.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 13, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell are you talking about
I never said Morris gave up control…what?…….I know all of that crap and it doesn’t go with anything that I have said. Jumping to conclusions much?
The front office needs to work hand-in-hand to be successful. You can’t run around getting your coach players that he doesn’t want.
What?
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here
Who wants a coach that doesn’t have any say-so?
saying Mark Domink is the sole operator of personal is ridiculous.
This reads to me that you are saying you dont want a head coach who has no say so. I pointed out that many coaches can share their opinion but do not make the final decision.
Then you say Dominik being the sole operator of personal (sic) is ridiculous. Im pointing out that GM’s have final say, though they seek input from other places. So Dominik having final say isnt ridiculous, its reality.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok complete miss communication
At the beginning of the year, Dominik and Morris both said in press conferences that this is a group effort when bringing in talent and rebuilding the organization.
Those statements prove to me that decisions are being made together and Dominik works out the details.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Dominik could fire morris if told to do so. It just so happens that a lot of GMs and Coaches get fired together.
There are some coaches who come on WITH full control. Generally those are VERY experienced, high profile coaches.
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 13, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who gives a darn if Morris loses Clayton
He would benched on high school team for dropping that many balls in one game. The first one was iffy (because he was too slow to catch up to it) but the other 3!!! hit him right in the hands. If Morris doesn’t bench him then he can’t say another word about accountability if he wants the team to take him seriously
by LeeCaz on Oct 12, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Clayton has been awful
but I am guessing (seriously) that he doesnt want to lose Clayton. I bet the Glazer’s don’t want Clayton to get in the doghouse becuase he’s already taken their money.
He’s been awful, he’s dropped passes ( I want to make sure people see me saying these things). I’m not defending his poor production. Morris is a young coach, he saw what Clayton went through with Gruden. I would imagine that has shaped how he is handling the team in general and specific players.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Bates
isn’t the one who released half of the defense. When I first saw the projected starters for the defense, I had no idea who 75% of them were. If Jim Bates had the players, this defense would be OK, but for the most part, they’re scrubs.
by bucnut1 on Oct 13, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If any coach had the players they would do ok
we went into the season like everyone on TV said, with ???? all over defense. The offense has faulter also because of the defense. It’s a domino effect, bad play by one group always leads to the rest of the team.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you feel this defense would be so much better with...
Cato June and a 15th season for Derrick Brooks? When do we find out if our draft picks can play linebacker? next year? Truth is the purge should have happened in 2006/2007.
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 13, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
This team really lacks leadership and focus. But the point is that Jim Bates has had a pretty nice career in the NFL, and to put the blame on him for this mess is just plain stupidity. The team looks lost out there, and their leader has no clue to what he’s doing because he has no experience what so ever.
by bucnut1 on Oct 13, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
At the most worse posibility, we would have the same record. I would have stuck with Brooks going into his 20th. Gruden had one year he looked at the defense, that is freaking ridiculous. Piss poor management.
by buccanator on Oct 14, 2009 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has taken years to get this bad
We have had some bad draft choices, and probably hung on to some veteran players for too long. Lets face it, last year was a patchwork of players at best. While other teams were bringing in younger talent we were either holding onto older guys, or bringing in older castoffs from other teams. It will take a few years to dig out of the hole we have been digging during the last few years. In the NFL teams should always be building, we haven’t been building anything lately, and for that we will suffer for a few years.
Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
by terp12 on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
completely agree
Sad sad years to come unless major changes occur
by buccanator on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think major changes are that possible
It takes a while to turn a ship completely around.
Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
by terp12 on Oct 12, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im looking for a building foundation
right now we look like a house built on sand. When it rains, it pours. We get destroyed.
We have few players for the future.
Geno Hayes, Anquib Talib, Tanard Jackson on defense
Kellen Winslow, Cadillac Williams, Derrick Ward on offense
6 out of 22 isn’t a foundation.
by buccanator on Oct 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also add
Barrett Ruud, Quincy Black, Jimmy Wilkerson, Donald Penn, Zuttah, Faine, Joesph and Trueblood to all of those numbers.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Oct 12, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barrett Ruud was foundation for the future
he would have an extension by now. I’m just going by what the Front Office is showing. Trueblood and Penn are replaceable.
I have about 14 on my list of starting a foundation for the future with but what I think doesn’t matter.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barrett Ruud hasn't shown any thing great in the new system
Also, if contract status matters, Cadillac shouldnt be on that list (last year of deal).
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by Buc Wild on Oct 13, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you watched any games this season?
Isn’t it appearent who the favorites are?
Isn’t it clear that some players aren’t going anywhere no matter how bad they play?
I agree with some of the favorites and some I don’t.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've watched every minute of every game.
You arent talking about favorites, youre talking about foundations. You disputed Barrett Ruud being a foundation based on his lack of contract extension. So I said Cadillac also does not have a contract, therefore why is he considered a piece of the foundation (which you stated) and Barrett Ruud is not (which UNFNole stated and you disputed).
I didnt say anything about favorites, or players not going anywhere no matter how bad they play. You have inferred all of that on your own.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 13, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you argue just to argue
that’s fine
I love Barrett Ruud and I would love for him to be the defensive foundation and have a contract extension.
I love Cadillac and I would love for him to be the offensive foundation and have a contract extension.
To me it seems that Morris has a difficult time deciding when enough is enough with certain players. He did well with the Leftwich decision, but not with the Clayton decision. EMack gets picked on and has been the “Toast man” and still plays. Nugent misses FGs and he gets fired.
Good decisions vs. Bad decisions……
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually agreeing with you on Barrett Ruud
You said he shouldnt be considered part of the foundation due to lack of extension. I said he hasnt shown much this year in terms of being above average therefore he shouldnt be part of the foudnations. Thats you and I agreeing that he isnt being looked at as a piece of the future (apparently).
I am a HUGE Cadillac homer, but I dont see many scenarios where he stays. i would love it if he did, so I could watch him every week.
I think Mack is still here because there isn’t anyone else. Kickers can be fired as there are 5 more just like him. It gets a bit tougher with other positions.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 13, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW peace in the Middle east IS POSSIBLE!
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 13, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best comment Ive seen in awhile....
Thats exactly why were in this boat. Because when the time to rebuild was 2004, was started but panicked in 2006 and brought in bandaids to heal our wounds.
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 12, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen terp
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 13, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 thing is for sure....
changes must be made because it’s not working the way it is OR the one responsible needs to be changed.
"In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to It." - Coach Paul 'Bear' Bryant
by Tye on Oct 12, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The changes will be good draft picks and a few free agents.
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 12, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Game Against Carolina
We can win this game and I think we will. All the teams we have played so far were better teams this year. We had a chance to beat Washington and Buffalo, but the Giants and the Cowboys were in a different league(much better teams) this year.
I like Josh Johnson. He needs to keep his job until someone plays better. He will give us a chance to win some games this year. I would bench Clayton and play someone else. With Faine and Jackson returning, we have a good chance to win. Carolina used up all their luck last week.
by Jiggyjoe on Oct 13, 2009 3:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JJ is really progressing so far....
and he is someone to look fwd to watching on Sundays..
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 13, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland is shopping Brady Quinn......
Josh Johnson is not a Sunday quarterback.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither is Brady Quinn at this rate.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 13, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about with a team that has Wide Receivers
Brady did great when K2 was there. When B. Edwards didn’t have the “Clayton syndrome”, Brady did well. I think Quinn would be a better quarterback then either one of the Josh’s.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think we have the WR's to pull it off?
Clayton is worse than Edwards. Cribbs is probably better than Stroughter. AB is an upgrade, but how lnog is he here. I’m not big BQ fan.
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by Buc Wild on Oct 13, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think we need to look at quinn
we’ve got 3 qb’s already it really dosn’t matter how good quinn is or isn’t at this point also does anybody think matt jones has a shot at making this team?
by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 13, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want the feeling that we are heading in the right direction
We have gone 8 seasons with uncertainty at the QB position(either with talent or injuries). I want a QB to be in there and stay there. That is why I want Freeman in. No matter what Morris says about how he earned it, He will not be the QB next season. Brady Quinn played under a pro coach in college and a bad NFL team. He has a strong arm and has shown signs of being decent. His picture would look better on the stadium then Garcia’s did.(I know that means nothing…lol) I still think he would be an upgrade to the position.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
we need to know this year what (if anything) freeman is capable of
by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he throws 3 int a game
if he handles the pocket right and makes his reads….and progress as the season goes, I can handle that. His leash will be way longer then Leftwich and Johnson’s.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were a bad team buccanator, hed be going from one bad team to another.
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 13, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to know
sooner rather than later if this kid can play so we dont go into next year with a big ? at qb. This season is over so it dosnt matter if he wins or loses it’s how well he plays that matters.
by bucfanlostiniowa on Oct 13, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me niether
I dont feel like looking up his stats in the NFL, but I bet they arnt very good. Not good enough for anyone to prove to me hes the QB answer in TB.
by Hook85 on Oct 14, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys are NOT
in a different league. That game was very winnable for us, and if it weren’t for the big plays for TD’s, we very well could have won that game. Dallas is 3-2 with all their wins against a combined record of 1-13, and they almost lost to one last week.
by bucnut1 on Oct 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys, Bills, Redskins could have been wins for us.
Giants and Eagles, we can’t match the talent. I agree with you.
by buccanator on Oct 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line fellas,
Were not a good team because our talent is too young, and were missing some pieces still.
Want a FEEL GOOD for this year?
Hope for…
1) Win
2) Win Streak
3) A few players showing up as leaders
4) one side of the ball showing a sign of ‘getting it’
Eagles by 17= The Bucs are what we think they are. Eagles by 10? Respectable. Eagle by<7? A moral victory. Bucs win? See you at the airport!
by Niko Houllis on Oct 13, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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