New England Patriots to Franchise Tag Free Agent QB Matt Cassel
Matt Cassell is going to be franchised...see link:
And the word is Donovan McNabb's option is going to be picked up by Philly. That leaves us with Jeff Garcia and the draft. Crap. As we know, we can't leave the team in the hands of a rookie QB, so our options are really limited to Jeff Garcia. Maybe Rex Grossman, and Kurt Warner. None of those options sound good to me. This leads to speculation of a trade. Maybe a reclamation project in Alex Smith? Nah. Actually, the best option may be one of our own free agents...Luke McCown. Time will tell.
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here's what i would like to see...
Hand it over to Josh Johnson. Let’s grow with a Quarterback. He’s got a way better line than Gradkowski or Simms ever had, so he’s got that going for him.
Jeff Garcia’s not coming back and he couldnt do anything in two years anyway so let him go. I don’t see Luke McCown returning, nor do i want him to. He’s had years to prove himself and hasnt.
Go into camp with Griese and Josh Johnson, maybe sprinkle in a Rex Grossman and see who rises to the top. Eventually the Bucs have to groom a QB.
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by JScott on Jan 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm on board except for Rexie
He’s so terrible. Hell, I’d take Gus Frerotten over the other options, as horrible as that is to say.
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by Craig T on Jan 5, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
that is pretty horrible
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify that.
I meant to say that I’d take Frerotten over Rexie or Grieseball. I’d love to see Johnson get a chance, depending on whether Garcia returns and what personnel moves are made to improve the team.
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by Craig T on Jan 5, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i got you
no misconstruing those sentiments
My question is, where the heck does Jeff Garcia go if not Tampa? How many organizations can the guy play for? Or better yet, how many offenses can he learn, muchless want to willingly learn?
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota MAY be a viable option for him.
If not, there are plenty of teams with worse quarterbacks than him…… He’ll get a job.
Jacksonville
Detroit (who will probably get Sanchez or Stafford)
San Fran
Minnesota
Washington (though they won’t give up on Campbell)
J-E-T-S
just to name a few with worse.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree about Jacksonville
but the rest you listed might be options. I think he’d be a good fit back in San Francisco, but he’s traveled so much that I have no clue where he’ll end up.
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by Craig T on Jan 5, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dobut
If garcia were to go to another team that he’d start anywhere.. He might compete, but I doubt he’d start.
and don’t forget he is limited to the west coast offense so throw out Jacksonville (which QB wasn’t the reason they were bad this year) and we’ll have to wait to see who detroit and the jets hire.
by miracles83 on Jan 5, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i couldnt imagine him going back to Detroit
or Detroit’s fans wanting him back, the same goes for S.F. They love J.T. Sullivan over there anyway…. The Jets would be intriguing, but if Favre could only get them to 9-7 there’s no way Garcia gets them any further, imo
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Garcia would take them higher than Favre
but hes a better option than Clemens. I don’t think Garrard is that good, but I also don’t think he is as bad as he was this year. However, he wasn’t as good as his first (as a starter). Point taken about West Coast though.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Garcia'd be an upgrade over guys like
T-Jack, Sullivan, and any Detroit QB. He won’t go back to Detroit, but SF and Minny are possibilities.
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by Craig T on Jan 5, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
anything and everything but rex !!
i am willing to grow with josh johnson or bringing back garcia. we need a quarterback who doesn’t throw the game away and lets our D do its thing !
by the420bucsfan on Jan 4, 2009 5:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Personally I think letting Grossman and Griese compete for a starting job. Still leaves us with nothing! I dont think Garcia will be back.
by toecutter on Jan 4, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, JScott has something there. To let Josh Johnson grow as a Buc and be our starting QB sounds great.....
However, that will never happen. There are a couple of reasons to support my theory:
1. Gruden does not “grow” with young QB’s. He works exclusively with hot shot veterans.
2. If we put in a young guy like Johnson or draft someone, it will appear that we are starting over. If vets like Derrick Brooks and Ronde Barber come back, it’s not going to be because they want to be part of the youth movement.
3. This team actually has the chance to be successful now. We won’t be with a young imexperienced QB. I know Ravens and Falcons fans will disagree, but Johnson was drafted in the 5th round, not the 1st round.
4. If we don’t have a strong presence at QB then the Buccaneer Fanbase may castrate whoever chose to “grow” with Josh Johnson.
by TheUltimateBucFan on Jan 4, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK OK ya got me, so Garcia isn't a hotshot QB....
I swear if the Bucs do bring him back, I’ll boycott the team until he’s gone!
by TheUltimateBucFan on Jan 4, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i got you
1. There isnt a single Veteran out there that could take this team to where its been outside of Garcia. If Gruden were to commit to Johnson, the fan base would have to commit to the experiment as well (as in two years worth of slack).
2. Derrick Brooks and Ronde Barber probably realize this team isnt built to contend, not in a Super bowl anyway… Plus I doubt Gruden/Allen consider either guy into their plans
3. That;s debatable, they can be successful, as in potentially make the Playoffs, but thats with a 39 year old Jeff Garcia, who you don’t want back… there arent many alternatives out there
4. If the fan base clamors to grow with a QB and the majority have admitted to in this poll, then they have to give it time (at least two years)…. They have too. This isnt baseball, grooming a QB takes time
In the end, like you alluded to, I dont Gruden has the patience to groom a young guy and so were stuck with stop gaps from here on out.
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kurt Warner
Could take it where Garcia did.. even further probably.
by miracles83 on Jan 5, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know man
I couldnt see Warner getting Gruden’s playbook that quickly, or in one off-season should i say. If they bring in a veteran and miss out on bringing one of Galloway or Bryant back, it won’t matter.
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Luke McCown
Give him two years if he stinks up the joint chances are we could get Bradford. He is young with a strong arm and can move. I think we should give him a shot. He could be the next Matt Cassel.
Or you never know … How did Tom Brady finally become a starter.
by PewterPirate55 on Jan 4, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i just don't see the upside in McCown
he’s been here four years and forced the Bucs to bring back Brian Griese. An old lethargic guy, they kicked in the nads prior to releasing in his earlier stint in Tampa. That alone tells me McCown doesnt have what it takes. Plus watching the guy play (rarely I’ll admit) he continued to make the same mistake: fumbled the ball, got sacked, or wasnt accurate enough)…
McCown should be better than third string at this point in his career
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it not bother everyone
that Gruden brings back an aged veteran who wasn’t good enough the first time?
Gruden and Allen are terrible at getting offensive personell. Defense is going to go down the hill in personell quickly without Monte if they don’t fully trust Morris as well. They simply just don’t get it.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was pretty disgusted and said as much when it went down
i loved Brian Griese’s reaction…. i remember him being a bit surprised and shell shocked that Gruden wanted and traded for him.
I’m ecstatic to have Raheem, but i can’t help but wonder what type of drop off if any the defense will have with Raheem calling the shots…
It’ll be ultra interesting to see how heavy the draft goes offensive and defensive wise…
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am nervous about the draft.
There is going to be more hit and miss this year than most. A ton of talent in the middle rounds though, if you make the right picks.
I think Raheem is great, but I worry about Gruallen trusting him to get his guys in there.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
and i thought i took this to seriously . besides the last two seasons we were in contention for the playoffs thanks to Garcia so third times the charm
by the420bucsfan on Jan 4, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Damn, just got back from the beach and it looks like some bad QB news today
Well…. I think the QB situation depends greatly on what the Bucs do in free agency and the draft. If the Bucs can ink some key players that can make a difference to make one more division push before the old guys are done, I’d prefer to see another season of Jeff Garcia. Otherwise, if signs point towards rebuilding, let’s see what Josh Johnson has.
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by Craig T on Jan 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What is so promising about
Johnson? What have we seen of him that gives us so much hope? NOTHING. I dont mind grooming him as a backup, but not as a starter. Just not worth it. Lets get a young guy that we KNOW has promise. I am all for tanking next season for McCoy. Not only would we get a good quarterback, but maybe that would be nail in the coffin for Gruden….. then again, maybe not.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So in that case
I guess I don’t mind starting Johnson next season. It could help us tank. I think that’s more promising then him being a franchise quarterback.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's your mole at One Buc Place?
Because apparently you’ve found out some inside information indicating he has no promise. Point is, I don’t think anyone can accurately gauge whether or not he has NFL material at this point because we just haven’t seen enough, so saying he sucks or isn’t the answer seems unfair right now. I’m for finding a situation to see what he can do. Obviously the Bucs see something in him they like.
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by Craig T on Jan 5, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will you please quote where I said he sucks?
I definitely did not say that. I asked YOU what you see that makes you feel like he has promise? You haven’t seen anything. All anyone has seen is pre-season and training camp and his college highlight film.
Do the Bucs really see something they like in him? Is that why he is the fourth string quarterback behind 1 average and 2 bad quarterbacks? He must have talent.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's got talent man
its the reason he was drafted in the 5th round. I know that sounds laughable considering they drafted dexter jackson in the 2nd round, but still. Josh Johnson looked great in Training Camp and in the Pre-Season in the limited action he saw. The reason he is #4 on the depth chart is because he’s a rookie behind two guys that have been in Gruden’s system for sometime and behind a starter who is what johnson hopes to eventually become (hopefully better of course).
As far as promise, like you said, training camp and preseason performances are nothing to base an opinion on, but at the same time you cant bury a guy you havent seen can you? Tom Brady was drafted late right and he bloomed? Granted he went to Michigan, but he wasnt a world beater there.
I think Josh Johnson has plenty of intangibles worth sparking interest from this fan base. He’s ridiculously accurate, his mobile, and he’s smart. those are three characteristics that go a long way in Gruden’s offense.
If this fan base is willing to grow with a QB, thats just what its going to take. Growth. Time and patience. Johnson appears capable its up to Gruden whether he wants to roll the dice and even then, the kid has had an entire year to ingest the playbook, he should be fluent in Gruden’s language, now he just has to translate it to the field. I think he deserves the opportunity, for this franchises sake…
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't ask me anything, but ok, I'll play.
I never said you said he sucks. You seemed so assured that he has no promise, or business becoming a starter, that I thought you might know something the rest of us don’t. My point is the team thinks he has something, so I have faith in their belief. I’m not going to banter about preseason, blah blah blah. The team was lean in depth this year and still kept Josh on the 53 man roster, so that tells me ALOT.
I was looking for something from you that contradicted that more than “let’s get someone we KNOW has promise”. How do you know Josh doesn’t??? Besides, is there ever a sureshot guarantee that any young QB will become a star? No. How can you tell for sure when you’re bringing in QBs who really has “promise” and who doesn’t? Every young QB is a crapshoot, so why not give Johnson a chance?
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by Craig T on Jan 5, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
I dont mind giving him a year. If he shows something in that year, then we could stick with him. If we don’t, we wind up in contention for McCoy. I don’t see us contending for the Super Bowl next year, or even the playoffs (unless we draft incredibly well). At that point, Glazer may have no option than to let Grallen go (in theory). It would be pretty much chaos without a GM/Coach/QB but it may be worth it. You may say it takes longer to pick up Grudens offense than one full year of playing, but is anyone really willing to ‘grow’ for two years with a quarterback? I’m not.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he looks like
T-Jack though, then you can’t stick with him and hope he will develop into his potential. Look where it got Min.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you would have to grow for at minimum
two years, especially with a pure Rookie like Josh Johnson, that’s what growing with a young developing QB takes. The Giants struggled with Eli Manning early on… It takes time. I know JJ is up for a 4-12 or 7-9 at best type of season if he were to start next season. He’s too green, but 2010 would be the season he could put it together.
I’d rather grow with a Top 10 pick at QB, as would anybody, but I can’t see the Bucs being at the top of the draft like that for a while…
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eli still isn't good.
However, I know most will fry me for that.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh man
ha!
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WILDLY Incosistent.
and poor leader. Reminds me of McNabb.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ones won a Super Bowl
and the other has taken his team deep into the Playoffs several times…
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my friggin lord....
…. I really didn’t want to break this out, but after that statement, I just can’t help it….

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by Craig T on Jan 5, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, absurd.....
21 TD 10 INT………. mediocre. Threw for over 200 yrds only three times. Against who? Seattle, Arizona, Washington….. all with sub-par to BAD defenses.
Sure he has a super bowl win, but so does Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer and Roethlisberger in the last 10 years. Are they good? No. Average at best.
You don’t have to be a good quarterback to win a super bowl. I never said he can’t have great games. McNabb can have those. However, anyone that is THAT inconsistent isn’t a good quarterback.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you just put Roethlisberger
together with the company of Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. Just because they all share the common denominator of winning one super bowl ring doesn’t make Roethlisberger average like Dilfer and Johnson, who truly were. I think Roethlisberger is a better than average NFL QB. Also agree to disagree on Manning.
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by Craig T on Jan 5, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let's agree to never
utter than Dilfer name around here, sweet jesus that guy sucked the life out of me and our offense
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by JScott on Jan 6, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the answer
Simply let Garcia go..
Resign McCown
Sign Warner
Draft a 1st round rookie
Let Warner, McCown and Rookie compete for 1st string
Let Whoever loses that battle compete for 2nd string
Keep rookie as 3rd if he doesn’t wind 1st or 2nd
Cut the rest by end of training camp. Probably will be Johnson and Griese let go. As I see Warner starting, McCown backing up and rookie with the clipboard.
by miracles83 on Jan 5, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you think
Arizona is going to let Warner leave?
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They will
Eventually they need to either let him go or trade Leinart. I think they let him go simply because of the salary he will be requiring. Stranger things have happened, but I do think if you have a qb in his 20’s that could be a starter on most other teams which you have been grooming then you have to let the veteran walk. Remember philip rivers and drew brees (anyone ever think about what would be if we had signed him?)
by miracles83 on Jan 5, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brees, would have been huge
Nothing against you, but I would hate the acquisition of Kurt Warner, Gruden would probably salivate over the idea, but I’m sick of the retreads. I know I vouched for Grossman up above and he probably resembles a retread about now, but uh, Kurt Warner.
Then drafting a QB in the first round. Who? Graham Harrell? If Tebow were to declare and dropped I could buy that, though i know a ton of you hate that idea….
i don’t man….
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grossman? Really?
He is TERRIBLE. I know he can heave it once in a while, but for 1) we don’t have the athletes to heave it. 2) He hasn’t succedded at all in a mediocre Bears offense, why would he produce under a much more complicated mediocre Tampa offense?
I am a seminoles fan, though I do like Tebow, and I wouldn’t mind us rolling the dice with him in the 3 or 4th round. Not 1st or 2nd though. If he leaves (which I am doubtful of) I don’t see him dropping that far though. SOMEBODY will go with a flyer.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
somebody will certainly give him a flyer. I wouldnt mind drafting him in the 1st or 2nd round, i mean if they are going to draft Dexter Jackson and Michael Clayton types, might as well roll the dice on a gamer
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…I would take a shot at him in the 3rd. Although like you, I’m doubtful he leaves. So many people are saying he won’t play QB in the NFL. Whether he does or not is a different story, but if he stays for his senior year, he gets a definite chance at playing his desired position for at least one more year. He seems to love being a Gator and love his team. I think he sticks around for his final year.
by The Bull Gator on Jan 5, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow is a great guy
but he is stubborn as crap. He is going to play quarterback, whatever the cost to his career. Good news is the guy is solid and won’t have a problem in whatever else he wants to do if he fails.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched him play for 3 years at Nease
…I was doing Youth Ministry there. He left University Christian because the coach wanted him to play Tight End and wouldn’t give him a shot at quarterback. He came to Nease and did everything necessary to be one of the greatest high school quarterbacks ever in the state of Florida (if not the nation). I forsee the same thing happening in the pro’s. I think he has the drive to succeed in the NFL regardless of his shortcomings as a prototype NFL player. I was listening to the radio a month or two back and Tebow was talking to Kiper about this. Kiper told him to play Tight End and Tebow just laughed him off and asked him what he needed to improve as a quarterback. He’s not switching positions.
I would actually agree with you about giving him a look in the 2nd round. Sign him to a 3 year deal. If you miss, you miss. If you win, you win BIG (for multiple reasons).
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hate to never know what
type of Pro QB Tebow could of been because nobody would give him a shot. If Jon Kitna can lead a team, Tim Tebow should be able to find some suitors…
It still pains me to think about what could have been with Charlie Ward’s NFL career….
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by JScott on Jan 5, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He made the right choice.
He had an elongated, successful NBA career. Never a superstar, but a good role-player. THe NFL was much more of an unkown and far greater risk. Plus, it’s not like he settled for the NBA. He was a great college player and LOVED basketball.
by UNFNOLE on Jan 5, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
the NBA was a good, safe bet
But I would give my right testicle to see what his NFL career might have been
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by JScott on Jan 6, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a coincidence...
…I too would give your right testicle to see what Ward could’ve done in the NFL.
by The Bull Gator on Jan 7, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was hopeful that nobody
and i mean nobody would catch that, ah well >: |
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by JScott on Jan 7, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
I think he’d be perfect for Tampa and Gruden and kind of who I was thinking about in my previous thoughts.
Truthfully, what is the knock against him.. he plays in a spread and brings mostly unfounded fears of Alex Smith.
The guy does have everything you’d want in a QB. He’s an amazing leader with gallons of passion. He can throw it wherever you want it (check out the Alabama game). He’s big and can run for a big guy.
Really, I see him as a more passionate and better leader than Ben Roethlisberger and Ben is a good QB.
True, it takes awhile for him to get the ball out and he wouldn’t succeed in a Martz system compared to a west coast gruden system (but aren’t all qb’s system based in one way or another?) The ultimate point and why I think he will be an excellent qb is similar to the sentiments I heard today on PTI “Tebow has more leadership ability than any qb since Staubach”. The guy is just a born leader and thats what separates him from David Carr.
Now about Warner. The guy is a former Superbowl winner, 2 time MVP, and talks about MVP THIS year. He’s got skills that garcia would drool over.
The reasons why I think Warner would succeed at Tampa is 1. He’s intelligent and should be able to pick up more of the system than garcia did in an offseason. 2. He’s talented.. ya know he’s not afraid to throw the deep ball to Bryant. 3. He isnt egotistical. He will take the time to help groom a young qb. I remember reading that him and Leinart are so close that they place internet checkers together.. I like garcia but Warner would be an upgrade.
by miracles83 on Jan 5, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
play internet checkers together
ha!
Nice synopsis on Tebow!!!
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