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Broncos Fire Shanahan

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The Broncos have fired Mike Shanahan.

 

Brian and Joel Glazer seen running for the phones.  Gruden and Allen seen with the Deer in the headlights look.

 

This goes to prove that no coach in the league is automatically untouchable regardless of tenure or past successes.  I for one think that Shanahan has a proven history of good game management and runs an effective ball control offense.  This would be a good fit in my opinion for Tampa Bay.  I am not sure I would give him Coach and GM responsibilities but Head Coach definetely.

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Should The Buccaneers attempt to hire Mike Shanahan and fire Gruden and Allen?
Yes
29 votes
No
18 votes
Fire Gruden and Allen but hire another coach/GM option
4 votes

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I have 3 words to say regarding this....

HO….LEE…..SHIT

              or

SIGN HIM NOW!!!!

by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 30, 2008 8:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

shanahan is a great coach. The broncos are dumb

by Roc on Dec 30, 2008 8:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously, I am and have been a HUGE Gruden suppoter through all of the crap we have been through (since winning the Super Bowl).....

With that being said, I think it would be a fantastic move if Shannahan wanted to become a Buc. One of the main reasons I didn’t want to sign another coach was because there was nobody else out there that fit well here. Shanahan would look great in pewter and red.

by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 30, 2008 9:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At the VERY LEAST, he needs to be brought in as an offensive coordinator

And maybe the Glazers can hint at him that he’ll be head coach here soon enough.

That is, if Detroit, Cleveland, or the Jets don’t try to snatch him up first.

by kericr on Dec 30, 2008 10:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, selling him on an O-Coordinator job is a stretch, that's why I was saying that maybe give him some kind of assistant head coach tag or something like that

I will say this though. I don’t like Gruden. I don’t think he should be coach. I don’t like Allen, I don’t think he should be GM. But if bringing in Shanahan requires him to wear both the HC and GM hats, I’ll take the evil I know over the evil I don’t. I think Shanahan has been a terrible player personnel guy; as bad as or worse then Gruden.

by kericr on Dec 31, 2008 2:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Shanahan actually Better?

Kericr, why do you think Shanahan is an upgrade over Gruden. You like Shanahan, but he has just came from a worse situation than Gruden.

Gruden went 9-7 the past two years and has had 3 Divisional Titles and a Superbowl since 2000. Shanahan went less than 500 this and I think last year. Hasn’t even made the playoffs for several years. Has made more horrible personnel decisions by Free agency and draft. Remember Maurice Clarrett in the 3rd round? This was much worse than D. Jax in the second (which they even had a chance at DeSean Jackson in the second before trading down.. just saying).

I’m sorry, but I do not see how we all think Shanahan is such a great coach and think the worst of Gruden.

But I do think they BOTH are very good coaches in the right situations.

by miracles83 on Dec 31, 2008 2:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do what?

Thats how I determine who is a good coach. If they put the W’s on the board and consistently better the team. Then they are winner. but if they consistently put L’s on the board and reduce the team’s talent. Then they are a loser.

I think that Shanahan and Gruden are about equals when it comes to coaching. They have tremendous talent in some areas but major weaknesses in others.

Whats your reasoning? I’m really just curious

by miracles83 on Jan 2, 2009 3:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is why I won't discuss this with you

The win-loss argument is the argument that every Gruden supporter wholeheartedly hangs his hat on. “Look, he’s got an over .500 record! Look, he’s won division titles!” Since I don’t want him coaching this team because I think he’s an awful talent evaluator with a rediculous and ineffective offensive playbook, and that I think the Buccaneers have been as successful as they have been since 1996 because of their defensive effectiveness, which is something that Gruden has more than once hinted as something he doesn’t focus his attention towards, it seems worthless to waste any more then a few keystrokes discussing my reasoning with someone who is going to completely disreguard my point-of-view because they evaluate a coach based solely and exclusively on how many wins the team he is coaching has achieved.

And as I stated earlier in the thread, Shanahan is as bad of, if not a worse talent evaluator then Gruden, and if getting rid of Gruden and Bruce Allen means that Shanahan is brought in with both coaching and major player-personnel duties, then I would rather keep Gruden and Allen because it’s not an upgrade. But from a coaching perspective ONLY, there is no doubt in my mind that Shanahan is miles ahead of Jon Gruden in designing an effective offensive scheme, which is something Gruden has been completely incapable of doing since coming here in 2002.

by kericr on Jan 2, 2009 4:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would

like to agree with your point of view. I just was trying to understand it. My point of view is that I see Gruden as an equal to Shanahan because of the comparable record. I wasn’t using it as a dig against your perspective. I was honestly just trying to see what was the reason for thinking Shanahan is better. and I read it in your last post. “Shanahan is miles ahead of jon Gruden in designing an effective offensive scheme, which is something Gruden has been completely incapable of doing since coming here in 2002”.

I would slightly agree with you on this point. Shanahan is probably a little better offensive schemer. Experience and personality plays a lot into it. But he also lacks the ability insert the necessary discipline into his players. His last 2 qb’s include Cutler and that retired tampa bay player :). They both have awful TO numbers. The entire team had bad numbers when it came to fumbles.

This doesn’t fly in Gruden’s system. When a player fumbles, throws interceptions or just lacks heart then he gets benched for someone who wont.

Now I’m not saying that this makes Gruden better than Shanahan, but it just shows their different strengths.

And was it such a bad deal for Jon Gruden to coach to our strength – the defense? The majority of the talent and the salary cap is on the defensive side of the ball. Just because we won most of our games in close fought defensive match-ups doesn’t mean he just went along for the rollercoaster and got undeserved credit. He could’ve pushed the envelope and tried to ignore the defense, but he didn’t. He listened and played to wear our strength and money are. Sometimes the best decisions are the ones where you listen to the opportunity laid out before you.

by miracles83 on Jan 3, 2009 12:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well Since We are using Results and Statistics based Analysis... I have some on Shanahan that will definitively prove he is better.

NFL’s best records since 1995
Team … W-L-T … Pct.

New England … 146-78-0 … .652
Green Bay … 140-84-0 … .625
Pittsburgh … 139-84-1 … .623
Denver … 138-86-0 … .616
Indianapolis … 138-86-0 … .616
Most rushing yards since 1995

Denver … 30,993
Pittsburgh … 29,822
Minnesota … 27,724
Kansas City … 27,684
Jacksonville … 27,582
Most total yards since 1995

Denver … 81,060
Minnesota … 78,747
Green Bay … 78,578
Indianapolis … 78,018
St. Louis … 76,605
Most points scored since 1995

Indianapolis … 5,547
Green Bay … 5,507
Denver … 5,449
New England … 5,293
Minnesota … 5,249

These stats prove one thing to me … Shanahan is the better coach by far. He runs an excellent ball control offense that moves the ball. Something sorely needed here in Tampa. Play selection with him is not an issue and the West Coast offense is dying out in the NFL. Shanahan is the best coach available on the market right now but all the hype is surrounding Cowher.

by PewterPirate55 on Jan 7, 2009 12:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I replied

To this same comment you made in another shanahan thread. It basically said that Gruden was not a head coach in 1995 and didn’t become tampas coach until 2001. This is a 6 year differential and a major lopside.

But the argument is better on the other thread so lets move it over there.

by miracles83 on Jan 8, 2009 1:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is Shanahan's Track Record since 1995

How many times has a Gruden led offense out gained a Shannahan offense since Gruden has been coaching?

I stand by my statement that Shanahan is a better coach.

With our O line maturing Shanahan would have a back for the Bucs hitting 1500 yards easily.

by PewterPirate55 on Jan 8, 2009 10:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm floored they let him go. Floored.

Terrible move that will bite them in the ass. I don’t care about his record since ‘99. The man has had a somewhat competitive team and won 2 SB’s. Knee jerk reaction, IMO.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Dec 31, 2008 12:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not really surprised

We are always asking for Grudens head every year and he’s taken us to the playoffs most years. Denver hasn’t been to the playoffs since I think 2003 or 4.

I like Shanahan and think he will be a good pickup for needed teem, but I don’t see how everyone is so surprised. If you think this was a bad call on Denver’s part then I don’t think you should have anything to say about Gruden because its close to the same situation.

by miracles83 on Dec 31, 2008 2:34 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasnt sure if people would agree with my sentiments or not.

Nice to know that I am not crazy in thinking that this would be a good move.

by PewterPirate55 on Dec 31, 2008 9:00 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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