Only Fantasy Geeks Want Griese Benched
After living in Tampa Bay for 28 years, I have finally come to the conclusion that my goal in life is to become the back-up quarterback for the Bucs. Seriously, is there NOT a better job in Tampa Bay? Screw that, is there not a better job in the world?
You become the toast of Tampa Bay. Women want you. Men want you. Everyone wants you. Why? Because you are the answer.
I was here through the lean years. I remember the hope that was generated when the Bucs drafted Vinny Testeverde and the hope that came when he was on the bench. I remember when the Bucs drafted Trent Dilfer who was considered a steal when he fell to the Bucs and the incessant clamoring for him to get reps ahead of Craig Erickson. Sadly, I remember pushing my high school girlfriend off of me while we were babysitting two sleeping children so I could watch Dilfer take snaps in the preseason.
Sweet Mary, was I that pathetic? Yes.
But those guys had something in common. In the spirit of an election year, how do I say this diplomatically?
Oh yeah... those Buc teams sucked donkey balls. Eat your heart out, Obama. THAT'S how you address your constituents.
So here we, Bucs fans, sitting fat and sloppy at 3-1, tied for the division lead. And there's a quarterback controversy.
I should have ended that sentence with a question mark, not a period.
Why in the name of Hugh Culverhouse are Bucs fans calling for a quarterback change?
Brian Griese has engineered three consecutive wins despite six interceptions in two games. He almost breaks the NFL records for pass attempts versus the Bears. And he almost gave away the Packers game with a couple of off-target throws, but he's winning.
Testeverde never won. Dilfer won on occasion, but not consistently. Erickson, King, Spurrier, Thompson... they never won. And Bucs fans called for their heads.
Now Griese is winning... and he supposed to get the hook?
Maybe it's because of the interception numbers (and the AMOUNT alone, even though a few of them were tips and horrid attempts at catches). I will submit that anyone calling for Griese to be benched is a simpleton who only looks at the box score.
These are the same people who didn't think there was a problem with the Bucs' defense because they are ranked in the Top 10 despite the fact that they couldn't force a pick from Quinn Gray.
There's a lot more to this game than numbers. There are QBs with less INTs, more yards, and more TDs than Griese, but this is a QB who has been turned one-dimentional in almost every game and he was able to reverse-engineer victories. He also has performed WITHOUT a legitimate wide receiver who can stretch the field. That means, he's throwing timing routes and check-downs into heavy traffic because he has NO ONE to stretch the field and get a safety away from "the box." Is it any wonder why his INTs are up? There's foreign jerseys all over his throwing lanes.
There's a lot more to this game than just being ranked high. If you like high rankings and what it will get you, fall in love with the BCS and get lost. Griese is WINNING. There are quarterbacks with worse number who have won Super Bowls. Dilfer threw 12 TDs and 11 INTs in 2000 for the Ravens.
Is it possible that this team is not built around the quarterback?
Here's a little something for all you "ranking hounds." This Bucs team, is 9th in rushing and passing in the NFL through 4 games.
THEY LEAD THE NFL IN PICKS WITH 7. THEY ARE 3-1.
And for every fan calling for Griese's head, there are 5 more calling for Gruden's job. This is the same coach who had the run taken from him and won a game with the pass. He had the pass taken from him and he won the game on the ground. How do you stop a team who can be successful running AND/OR passing? It's pick your poison right now.
They're obviously doing something right.
So park your requests for Garcia to come back. Throughout the pre-season Griese looked sharp. He knows this offense inside and out. Do you realize that if Bruce Allen decided to keep Griese over Simms, this would be his 4th year in the offense? This kind of stability has NEVER been part of the Bucs' history (and technically it still isn't, but at least Griese didn't have to "re-learn" everything). Griese's job is to ration out a steady diet of 3-4 yard runs and 5-7 yard passes. This "Death by 1000 Paper Cuts" offense will just (tick) off defenses when they get 5 yards on 3rd and 4 and 9 yards on 3rd and 8.
Griese is doing just fine. Gruden won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson and came a "tuck rule" from getting to another with Rich Gannon.
If you want Griese benched, you might be seeing Bucs football, but you aren't watching.
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Amen brother
It may be ugly football, wait who am i kidding, it IS ugly football, but so long as the win column fills up who cares? Garcia obviously rubbed Gruden the wrong way in Week 1. He pissed Gruden off and once Gruden turns his back on you, well, you might as well retire, because the organization WILL drag you along until its time to drop you (see Chris Simms)…
With that said, i do worry about Griese and feel that his turnovers will eventually catch up to him, but at this point he’s winning games, something Garcia couldnt find a way to do in Week One when the opportunity presented itself time and time again. Here’s to continuing the winning streak at Denver
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by JScott on Oct 1, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
You know, if you think about it, Bucs football – even when it’s good – is still pretty average to watch. It’s not terribly EXCITING, ya know?
by HeyItsAdam on Oct 2, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignorance
To say Griese is “just winning,” and to use that to justify leaving a Pro-Bowler on the bench is profoundly retarded. Yes, the Bucs have been winning, but they’ve been winning in spite of Griese. Yes, a couple of interceptions weren’t his fault, and there have been quite a few dropped passes, but there are times where he’s been lucky to avoid the pick. the QB just makes bad decisions, or bad throws, and it hurts this team. The most, MOST, important thing is to limit turnovers. Who throws more turnovers? Who’s more efficient as a QB? Garcia is benched because he pissed off Gruden. He’s not riding the bench because Griese is BETTER than him, it’s because Gruden is a stubborn douchebag. Yes we’re 3-1, but we’re a very fortunate 3-1. We could have lost either to the Packers or the Bears. Why did we have to throw so many passes? Because we were down and he’d been picked thrice.
The Bucs have been winning because Bryant is a stud and makes kicks, our defense is inhuman, and our opponents have been making just enough mistakes for us to eke out wins. I’m ecstatic about being 3-1, you measure the season by quarters and that’s where you want to be. But to say we won 3 games because Griese is just a “winner” is beyond stupid.
by staplemaniac on Oct 2, 2008 12:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Read it again
I never said Griese is sole reason the team is winning. I said it’s not his job to win the games by himself. The WCO is not designed to be an Arena offense where the QB is throwing rainbows. Griese has NO ONE as a deep threat to strectch the field. I think he should get some gratice on his INTs since he’s got 11 guys jammed within 15 yards of the line.
Since he has a good supporting cast around him, his job is to spread the ball around.
by HeyItsAdam on Oct 2, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griese isn't winning
The Bucs are winning, through excellent defense, a strong running game and a sometimes average to above-average performance from the QB. The fact is, you guys have spent the last couple years making your quarterbacks look like winners because the rest of the team is so tough.
I truly believe you guys will be slugging it out for the division late into the season, but don’t make the mistake of thinking that it’s Griese or Garcia that’s doing it for you. If the Bucs are going to become one of the most feared teams in the league, they’re going to need someone better than a pair of old QBs with average arms to take them to the promised land. No team can win forever with the G & G’s of the league.
Just my two cents.
by Dave the Falconer on Oct 2, 2008 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct...
And you know what, if Griese is doing EXACTLY what you just described, that’s all he’ll need to do and he’ll get deep into the playoffs.
by HeyItsAdam on Oct 2, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
But my concern (as a Falcons fan, it’s more like hope) is that the team will continue to lean on Griese and Garcia into the next couple of years. While it may well lead to the playoffs this year, the wheels are coming off those wagons sooner than later without a clear replacement on the roster.
by Dave the Falconer on Oct 2, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont agree
with that assessment Dave… as you say, the defense will continue to get better and better, thus eliminating the QB all together for the Bucs. In fact, in 2010 the defense will play both ways with Sabby the ‘Italian Stallion’ Piscitelli Quarterbacking the Bucs to an undefeated season…
what were we talking about?
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by JScott on Oct 2, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXCELLENT
You said it brother..the W`s are the big thing. I remember when we won 3 or 5 games a year and were happy to beat DETRIOT at home once in awhile at the `ol sombreo. My how times have changed. Quit bitching people we`re winning games nowadys!
by stixx692001 on Oct 2, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
we all know Garcia is the better QB, but for whatever reason Gruden doesnt beleve in him and we’re not privy to that information so its hard to call him out on it. Plus Garcia gets bruised each week as it is so theres no guarentee he would make it another game muchless the season…. Plus like we’ve said before:
Griese 3-0
Garcia 0-1
This season…
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by JScott on Oct 2, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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