Buc Fans, I need you to ASSUME the POSITION!!
...UPDATE...
The Supreme Court has rejected the appeal of a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan who challenged the team's pat-down searches. Yeah boy!
For those of you that aren't aware. In 2005 a High School teacher, Gordon Johnston, challenged the use of Pat-Downs as a preventive measure to enter Raymond James Stadium, stating that the pat-downs are unconstitutional and unreasonable. He took his quest to the three lower courts and won, thus the ban of pat-downs at Raymond James Stadium last season. This past week however, a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned those rulings, thus bringing pat-downs back to Raymond James Stadium for the 2007 season (its unknown whether they will be administered at the Bucs Two Pre-Season games this year). The court decided that Johnston forfeited his right to challenge the constitutionality of the pat-downs when he consented to them. The court also said Johnston doesn't have a constitutional right to watch a football game, that he was aware of the search policy before entering the stadium and that the Bucs can revoke game tickets for any reason. My take on the situation:
What is the big deal with a Pat-Down? Unless you're concealing something (alcohol, weapons, ex-lax), why would you care, especially if it could prevent a potential mass murdering? Something as little as a Pat-Down. A five second Pat-Down? I think when security administers a Pat-Down and feels dynamite strapped across someone's body, there's a good chance that individual will not make it into the stadium that day. Every team's stadium in the NFL requires Pat-Downs except Raymond James, why do you think that is? You folks should want more safety, I don't get it.
So you lose a right, big deal. What right are you losing? The right to smuggle in something illegal to the Stadium? The right to smuggle in alcohol (By the way, you have a HUGE PROBLEM if this applies to you)? The right to carry a concealed weapon into a stadium? I mean, it's not like we're losing driving privileges or free-speech. We're talking about Pat-Downs. (I can't help but hear Allen Iverson in the background, "Practice, Practice", damn you ESPN).
Obviously the system doesn't work if those who administer the pat-downs are allowing individuals with a bulge in their pocket (camera/cell phone) to enter the stadium unquestioned. That boils down to compensation or lack there of. I mean we want security, good security, but we're not willing to pay for it. I understand pat-downs are of weak value to the majority, but at least they are a prohibitive factor to an insane person entering a stadium and killing folks. I'm not naive enough to think that by implementing pat-downs we're going to eliminate terrorist threats. It's just an added obstacle a terrorist has to get around. I'm willing to pay a tax if it provides added potential safety (whether it be an illusion or not). BUT that's .... Just ..... ME!
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i agree
but it was also like 4 years ago
never been to a bucs game :'(
by kmacsm on Jun 28, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The criminal element
by sunil on Jun 30, 2007 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cutlass the sword
by sunil on Jun 30, 2007 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if
security was breached at a game, this guy would be one of the first to bitch, file a lawsuit etc. Some people have nothing better to do than find things to complain about. Can not stand those kind of people. Want top notch security but dont want to be inconvenienced to get it. Anyways kind of excited to see what Raheem is gonna do w/ the Bucs nxt year.
I like soup!!!
by toecutter on Jan 30, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What we really should be appealing is...
…the rule prohibiting people from throwing footballs in the parking lots!!!
by The Bull Gator on Jan 30, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah that's pretty piss poor
definitely a power trip
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by JScott on Jan 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
so you can reject the pat downs? sorry I had no clue about this week 16 vs. the chargers , i let em..violate me i guess lol
'talkin 'bout practice?
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 30, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think ur missing the point
It has nothing to do with the inconvenience, nor with the length of time it takes to pat you down. In recent years we’ve seen constitutional rights degraded more than any time in our countries history, and we let it happen, half the time we vote for it to happen. Any time you allow even something as small as a pat down or search, you’re stepping onto a slippery slope and you may not like whats at the bottom. Do we have a constitutional right to watch a football game? no, but we do have a right to privacy, and even if its minor, a search to get into a public venue is invasive. Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
That being said, I have no problem with the minor pat downs at Bucs games, buying that ticket is a conscious decision and a luxury at that, and the security is extremely light compared to something like getting through airport security (which is FUBAR and almost totally ineffective imo). Personally, I think the guy simply picked the wrong battle.
The real criminals are the beer vendors and their ilk who stiff the consumer with outrageous prices, even on water!
by ghosthippo on Jan 31, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i get what you're saying
but at the same time In this instance it’s simply about ‘pat downs’ at Raymond James Stadium, I don’t see how giving up this ‘freedom’ could lead to giving up another freedom in an entirely different realm. I don’t see the correlation. The public still has a voice, if the freedom they are giving up is stretched into a mile like you say the majority will stand up and not stand for it.
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by JScott on Feb 2, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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